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Flying_Kiwi
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 Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: Flopped 2nd nuts facing a raise |
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So I've got a K high flushy, which is always vulnerable in Omaha. I also don't like it that I have no low-draw either.
What's your play?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2861563181: Table Edgemere - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Omaha H/L - 20:41:25 ET - 2007/07/05
Seat 1: Lookin4a7 ($12.35)
Seat 2: Pinnball ($9)
Seat 4: the1artist ($6)
Seat 5: Delsol15 ($42.45)
Seat 6: Pappa Joey ($7.70)
Seat 7: Flying_Kiwi ($7.50)
Seat 8: stoneface728 ($23.15)
Flying_Kiwi posts the small blind of $0.10
stoneface728 posts the big blind of $0.25
5 seconds left to act
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Flying_Kiwi [Jh Jd Ks 2s]
Pinnball calls $0.25
the1artist calls $0.25
Delsol15 folds
Pappa Joey calls $0.25
Flying_Kiwi calls $0.15
stoneface728 checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs 5s 7s]
Flying_Kiwi bets $0.25
stoneface728 calls $0.25
Pinnball folds
the1artist raises to $0.50
Pappa Joey folds
Flying_Kiwi ??? |
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Flying_Kiwi
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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So it seems this hand is so obvious that no-one has a comment.
Does it take a 'rigged' post or 'random number'/'screw full tilt' in the header to get a reply? |
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Big Slick x13x
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| Raise. If you get capped you just check / call down. If he calls behind, lead the turn, if you get raised and you still have second nuts just call down. This hand would be so much better if you had a 3 in your hand instead of one of those Jacks. |
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Flying_Kiwi
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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OK I thought I should probably have raised/capd the flop:
*** FLOP *** [Qs 5s 7s]
Flying_Kiwi bets $0.25
stoneface728 calls $0.25
Pinnball folds
the1artist raises to $0.50
Pappa Joey folds
Flying_Kiwi calls $0.25
stoneface728 calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Qs 5s 7s] [Jc]
Flying_Kiwi
With picking up redraw to a boat, is it worth betting out again? |
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DJ Ninjah
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| Yes, you should lead out again, and smooth call if raised. The pot is currently 2.75 and are about 20% to hit the boat. Plus, factoring in that you might already be ahead, filling up = scoop, and that the guy to act after you is probably chasing A2 and will throw his chips in for some added equity, I think it's a very good play. However, I think with this we don't have the equity to three bet here (possibly getting capped) if raised because I don't think we will get paid very well if we fill up. |
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Flying_Kiwi
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Here's the full HH (minus the results). So did I play this OK?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2861563181: Table Edgemere - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Omaha H/L - 20:41:25 ET - 2007/07/05
Seat 1: Lookin4a7 ($12.35)
Seat 2: Pinnball ($9)
Seat 4: the1artist ($6)
Seat 5: Delsol15 ($42.45)
Seat 6: Pappa Joey ($7.70)
Seat 7: Flying_Kiwi ($7.50)
Seat 8: stoneface728 ($23.15)
Flying_Kiwi posts the small blind of $0.10
stoneface728 posts the big blind of $0.25
5 seconds left to act
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Flying_Kiwi [J J K 2]
Pinnball calls $0.25
the1artist calls $0.25
Delsol15 folds
Pappa Joey calls $0.25
Flying_Kiwi calls $0.15
stoneface728 checks
*** FLOP *** [Q 5 7]
Flying_Kiwi bets $0.25
stoneface728 calls $0.25
Pinnball folds
the1artist raises to $0.50
Pappa Joey folds
Flying_Kiwi calls $0.25
stoneface728 calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Q 5 7] [J ]
Flying_Kiwi bets $0.50
stoneface728 calls $0.50
the1artist raises to $1
Flying_Kiwi calls $0.50
stoneface728 calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Q 5 7 J] [8]
Flying_Kiwi checks
stoneface728 checks
the1artist bets $0.50
Flying_Kiwi calls $0.50
stoneface728 calls $0.50 |
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Zophar
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| I would probably 3 bet the flop for value/info and ck/call the turn if he makes it 4 bets. A check/raise here would've also been suitable and helped achieve a similar goal. The redraw on the turn is nice, but if he does have the Ahigh, then you don't want to be feeding the pot because you're now drawing to 10 outs. If he only smooth calls the 3bet, he likely has a weaker flush w/the nut low draw. In this situation you definitely want to make him pay for the low draw. On the flop and turn, what range of hands did you put him on? Would he raise top set or any set here w/the nut low draw? |
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Flying_Kiwi
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Zophar wrote: |
| On the flop and turn, what range of hands did you put him on? Would he raise top set or any set here w/the nut low draw? |
I put the1artist on either a flopped flush, or a set + low draw. He had been one of the tighter players at the table and I don't think he's raising with junk there - he's definetly got a minimum of set + low. The fact that he even saw the flop means he's got some kind of coordinated hand (unlike so many Omaha players at this limit). It's interesting that we ended up clashing in this hand because we were the two tightest PF players at the table.
I wanted to ask about this hand because of the bet/calls. I would normally be 3-betting or trying to cap in that situation but this player was really tight compared to the others and I was just calling trying to save bets incase he had the nut flush - is that really nitty? |
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Zophar
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I can understand wanting to check call him down(not too nitty), however you bet the turn, which I don't quite understand as much.
If he's as tight as you're saying, slowing it down is key. He has the nut flush. Tight players do not keep raising like that(primarly the turn raise) w/out it. No way he raises top set w/low draw only here because he's already behind 1 way and has no back up for the low draw. Likely hand he has is nut flush A w/a 34, 35, 36 or may 45. He'd probably raise an A24x or A25x. One other possibility is that he has a high only hand w/the the nut flush and is putting youy on the low draw. |
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