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KronX
Pot Committed
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 3126
Location: The City by the City by the Bay
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 Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: Bring In or Complete |
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| Is there any reason or situation you would want to complete instead of bring in? |
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sloshedzeus
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 1257
Location: The birthplace of NASCAR
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I never complete when I have the bring in. The only exception is if I am in a tournament, very short stacked and plan on getting all my money in on that hand no matter what. |
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junkbutton
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 17 Feb 2006
Posts: 4043
Location: Gutterrock, NY
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| The only other time I would think of doing it is if I'm playing someone heads up, whether it's a tournament or a cash table. |
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Strasse
Forum Ego
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 3749
Location: Austin, TX
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| The only other time I would think of doing it is if I'm playing someone heads up, whether it's a tournament or a cash table. |
That is still a horrible situation to complete. You still want to be able to raise them for a full bet if they complete on you. Think about this. You are playing 2/4 stud HU, there is $.80 in the pot from antes, if you complete for $2 instead of bringing it in, you are betting 2.5 times the pot. It is such an overbet that its not profitable to bluff, and its such an overbet that if you have a hand, you are going to scare out most of the hands that would have payed you off. |
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thematadorcc
Flush
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
Posts: 130
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| HU is probably a worse situation than full ring. NEVER bring in for a completion! EVER!!! I guess you could as zeus said to get it in during a MTT short stacked. |
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pebbleboy
Straight Flush
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Posts: 454
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| In Razz if the table is tight and no one is showing anything too good I'll complete if I have to bring in. I have stole more than a few blinds and anties that way. |
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sloshedzeus
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 1257
Location: The birthplace of NASCAR
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| In RAZZ it is even worse. Anyone who hasn't paired on their first three cards knows they are ahead of you. |
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thematadorcc
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Joined: 17 Dec 2006
Posts: 130
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Looking at pebble's post, this is why FTP Razz continues to be SO soft and very easily beatable. Tearing up the Razz tables is easier than any other game IMO. |
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pebbleboy
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Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| sloshedzeus wrote: |
| In RAZZ it is even worse. Anyone who hasn't paired on their first three cards knows they are ahead of you. |
I have completed with a bring in and a rolled up pair and still won blinds and anties. I dont have the stats to show but I would say more times than not thy all fold and Ill collect.  |
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drcossack
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 1338
Location: Northeast Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I never complete when I have the bring in. The only exception is if I am in a tournament, very short stacked and plan on getting all my money in on that hand no matter what. |
QFT, and:
Full Tilt Poker Game #2751262470: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (20897629), Table 8 - 200/400 Ante 30 - Limit Stud Hi - 21:20:13 ET - 2007/06/23
Seat 1: drcossack (329)
Seat 3: NDBasbal (5,203)
Seat 4: herb711 (4,977)
Seat 5: slider800 (4,150)
Seat 6: Dreamhart (2,768)
Seat 7: racerette (10,900)
Seat 8: Shasha1 (3,385)
drcossack antes 30
NDBasbal antes 30
herb711 antes 30
slider800 antes 30
Dreamhart antes 30
racerette antes 30
Shasha1 antes 30
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to drcossack [4h Ac] [4s]
Dealt to NDBasbal [6h]
Dealt to herb711 [Ah]
Dealt to slider800 [6s]
Dealt to Dreamhart [8s]
Dealt to racerette [7s]
Dealt to Shasha1 [8c]
drcossack is low with [4s]
drcossack completes it to 200
NDBasbal folds
herb711 folds
slider800 folds
Dreamhart folds
racerette calls 200
Shasha1 folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to drcossack [4h Ac 4s] [6c]
Dealt to racerette [7s] [5d]
racerette bets 200
drcossack calls 99, and is all in
racerette shows [9s 7c 7s 5d]
drcossack shows [4h Ac 4s 6c]
Uncalled bet of 101 returned to racerette
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to drcossack [4h Ac 4s 6c] [Td]
Dealt to racerette [9s 7c 7s 5d] [7h]
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to drcossack [4h Ac 4s 6c Td] [Tc]
Dealt to racerette [9s 7c 7s 5d 7h] [Kh]
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to drcossack [4h Ac 4s 6c Td Tc] [5s]
Dealt to racerette [9s 7c 7s 5d 7h Kh] [9c]
racerette shows [9s 7c 7s 5d 7h Kh 9c] a full house, Sevens full of Nines
drcossack shows [4h Ac 4s 6c Td Tc 5s] two pair, Tens and Fours
racerette wins the pot (808) with a full house, Sevens full of Nines
drcossack stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 808 | Rake 0
Seat 1: drcossack showed [4h Ac 4s 6c Td Tc 5s] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 3: NDBasbal folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: herb711 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: slider800 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: Dreamhart folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: racerette showed [9s 7c 7s 5d 7h Kh 9c] and won (808) with a full house, Sevens full of Nines
Seat 8: Shasha1 folded on 3rd St. |
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jrbama
High Card
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Posts: 18
Location: Pigeon Forge, TN, USA
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Apparently, I'm playing different Razz tables and tourneys than you guys. Completing a bring-in has no effect on donkeys staying in the hand most of the time around here. That's why I never complete my own bring-in. Whether I'm going to call if someone else completes it is something I know as soon as I see the deal. All three cards are eight and under or I ain't playing them anytime at a Razz table, bring in or no. I know some solid Razz players who refuse to enter a hand without an Ace and at least one other card that's 6 or under. Now that's tight. But Razz is a game built for rocks. |
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KronX
Pot Committed
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 3126
Location: The City by the City by the Bay
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Ok I was going with the never complete advice and then I see this...
Can someone explain the reason to complete here?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2862813691: Message Board Junkies (21339975), Table 2 - 250/500 Ante 40 - Limit Stud H/L - 22:41:51 ET - 2007/07/05
Seat 1: eyoraces (2,953)
Seat 2: kazor (2,178)
Seat 3: cubbies760 (1,133)
Seat 4: iiznoodles (5,485)
Seat 5: dumwaldo (5,457)
Seat 6: KronX (2,421)
eyoraces antes 40
kazor antes 40
cubbies760 antes 40
iiznoodles antes 40
dumwaldo antes 40
KronX antes 40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to eyoraces [Qc]
Dealt to kazor [7s]
Dealt to cubbies760 [Qd]
Dealt to iiznoodles [3d]
Dealt to dumwaldo [2h]
Dealt to KronX [Kh 3h] [4h]
dumwaldo is low with [2h]
dumwaldo completes it to 250
????????
Also should I call or fold here? |
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huelhowser
Pair
Joined: 05 Aug 2007
Posts: 31
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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depends if I have a few call boxes at the table. If I have a few that I know will call with pretty much anything, I will complete w/ a strong hand.
also, when the ante's are big I will complete to steal |
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freeroll winner
Royal Flush
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 951
Location: Chicago
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| usually i complete when i got either 3 of a kind already or a strong drawing hand to begin with |
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dthouse
High Card
Joined: 01 Aug 2007
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| in my opinion it depends on position, whats cards are showing, knowing the people at the table and chip stacks, if its passed around to you and maybe 3 people left to go and you are low card in razz and you want callers limp in, you wanna try to force someone out who is showing an 8 or 9 or something fill the bring in, that way you have them set up for the next street if you get another good card and still lead at that point and can bet out again and possibly get them to fold. it is a situational answer you are looking for imo. what works for one hand may not work the same every time either. |
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