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adelaidecrows02
Royal Flush
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Posts: 604
Location: Adelaide Australia
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 Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: Absolute Omaha Newb with questions - long post sorry |
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To whom ever takes the time to read this and reply thank you in advance for your patience. I have decided to branch out and learn something new and Omaha Hi was recommended as a good starting point. So I ventured out today and just played a couple of hands at a .05/.10 table - not a big table but a good starting point. I would like to post a couple of hands with some questions and appreciate any replies I may get:
Full Tilt Poker Game #2474649801: Table Cobalt (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Omaha - 2:58:07 ET - 2007/05/21
Seat 1: ChumpChangeB ($13.45)
Seat 2: adelaidecrows02 ($9.80)
Seat 3: AliKoira ($10.45)
Seat 4: Takethat4win ($18.80)
Seat 5: HumptyD ($13.55)
Seat 6: Fletch2007 ($1.30)
HumptyD posts the small blind of $0.05
Fletch2007 posts the big blind of $0.10
adelaidecrows02 posts a dead small blind of $0.05
adelaidecrows02 posts $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adelaidecrows02 [Kd 9s Ks Ac]
ChumpChangeB calls $0.10
adelaidecrows02 raises to $0.30
AliKoira calls $0.30
Takethat4win folds
HumptyD folds
Fletch2007 raises to $1.30, and is all in
ChumpChangeB folds
adelaidecrows02 has 15 seconds left to act
adelaidecrows02: first time i have played so please tell me if this was a bad call
adelaidecrows02 calls $1
AliKoira folds
Fletch2007 shows [9c Ad 7h Jc]
adelaidecrows02 shows [Kd 9s Ks Ac]
*** FLOP *** [5s 8c 4d]
*** TURN *** [5s 8c 4d] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [5s 8c 4d Kc] [3s]
Fletch2007 shows Ace King high
adelaidecrows02 shows three of a kind, Kings
adelaidecrows02 wins the pot ($2.80) with three of a kind, Kings
Fletch2007 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.10 | Rake $0.30
Board: [5s 8c 4d Kc 3s]
Seat 1: ChumpChangeB folded before the Flop
Seat 2: adelaidecrows02 showed [Kd 9s Ks Ac] and won ($2.80) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 3: AliKoira folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Takethat4win (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: HumptyD (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Fletch2007 (big blind) showed [9c Ad 7h Jc] and lost with Ace King high
Player to my left was at this stage still in the hand - is KK preflop strong enough in Omaha high for a reraise?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2474658476: Table Cobalt (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Omaha - 2:59:58 ET - 2007/05/21
Seat 1: ChumpChangeB ($13.25)
Seat 2: adelaidecrows02 ($10.85)
Seat 3: AliKoira ($10.15)
Seat 4: Takethat4win ($18.80)
Seat 5: HumptyD ($13.95)
Seat 6: ALL-IN-ALLEN43 ($4)
ChumpChangeB posts the small blind of $0.05
adelaidecrows02 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adelaidecrows02 [Ts Ad 6d Td]
AliKoira calls $0.10
Takethat4win calls $0.10
HumptyD folds
ChumpChangeB calls $0.05
adelaidecrows02 checks
*** FLOP *** [Kc 5d 2s]
ChumpChangeB checks
adelaidecrows02 bets $0.20
AliKoira folds
Takethat4win calls $0.20
ChumpChangeB folds
*** TURN *** [Kc 5d 2s] [9d]
adelaidecrows02 bets $0.50
Takethat4win calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Kc 5d 2s 9d] [9s]
adelaidecrows02 checks
ALL-IN-ALLEN43 is feeling confused
ALL-IN-ALLEN43 is feeling happy
Takethat4win checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
adelaidecrows02 shows [Ts Ad 6d Td] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
Takethat4win mucks
adelaidecrows02 wins the pot ($1.65) with two pair, Tens and Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.80 | Rake $0.15
Board: [Kc 5d 2s 9d 9s]
Seat 1: ChumpChangeB (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: adelaidecrows02 (big blind) showed [Ts Ad 6d Td] and won ($1.65) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 3: AliKoira folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Takethat4win mucked [4h 3c 8s Ac] - a pair of Nines
Seat 5: HumptyD didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ALL-IN-ALLEN43 (button) is sitting out
Was my play here correct?
I have a few more, but this will give me the general idea. If I seem to have played this correct, then I am gonna love this game alot!!
One last question - if I am multitabling, one NLHE and one Omaha Hi, will there be anyproblems with my Poker Tracker database as I only have Holdem?
Again thanks in advance for your patience.
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JohnnyP1119
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I think you played ok
KK is pretty good during pre-flop, the hands you want in omaha are all connectors and 2 pairs of the same suit like As Ks Jd 10d, also if you ever get 3 of anything in you hand it is no good as 1 of the 3 are dead, EX: KKK2-1 king is not playable, Ac 3c 5c 8d- 1 club is not playable |
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adelaidecrows02
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Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Posts: 604
Location: Adelaide Australia
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| JohnnyP1119 wrote: |
I think you played ok
KK is pretty good during pre-flop, the hands you want in omaha are all connectors and 2 pairs of the same suit like As Ks Jd 10d, also if you ever get 3 of anything in you hand it is no good as 1 of the 3 are dead, EX: KKK2-1 king is not playable, Ac 3c 5c 8d- 1 club is not playable |
Thanks for that - here is another 2 questions:
1. If I have the A to make a nut flush, can I only make that nut flush if i hold a second card of the same suit?
2. Is it right or wrong to chase in Omaha? |
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Strasse
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Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 5029
Location: Austin, TX
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| adelaidecrows02 wrote: |
| JohnnyP1119 wrote: |
I think you played ok
KK is pretty good during pre-flop, the hands you want in omaha are all connectors and 2 pairs of the same suit like As Ks Jd 10d, also if you ever get 3 of anything in you hand it is no good as 1 of the 3 are dead, EX: KKK2-1 king is not playable, Ac 3c 5c 8d- 1 club is not playable |
Thanks for that - here is another 2 questions:
1. If I have the A to make a nut flush, can I only make that nut flush if i hold a second card of the same suit?
2. Is it right or wrong to chase in Omaha? |
1. You must use two cards from your hand, so you can only make the nut flush if you have a second card of that suit.
2. Omaha is all about drawing. Strong draws are often favorites over made hands, so don't be afraid to bet/raise with strong draws. That being said, don't chase weak draws, like non-nut flushes or non-nut straights, as there will most likely be a stronger draw out, plus, you will have plenty of opportunities to have a strong draw, so there is no point in putting money in with the weak draw.
I like the way you played the first hand, but not crazy about the second hand. Unlike holdem, someone is most likely going to have the over card to your pocket pair, and overpairs themselves aren't that strong either, since two pair is likely. I would have just checked the tens, figuring someone had the king, or atleast a very strong draw. |
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adelaidecrows02
Royal Flush
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Posts: 604
Location: Adelaide Australia
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Strasse - almost PM'd some questions to you before this thread, but didnt want to bother you. Glad you have provided some input - any other advice for a newb?.
Gotta say that this is a really great game and could see myself becoming as addicted to it as NLHE. |
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dodge these
Straight Flush
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 457
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: I wouldn't |
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Although Omaha is considered a draw heavy game, that does not mean you should be chasing draws. I see too many people making that mistake and it's acually cost me a lot lately, but there is no better reason to chase the flush draw in omaha than there is in NL. If you flop 4 to the flush in either game your odds of connecting are the same, as is also the case for chasing a str8 draw. What usually makes it correct to draw in Omaha is that you will often have both the flush and str8 (wrap) draw so that your odds of connecting on are very good. But think of it this way, would you chase just a str8 or a flush draw with someone betting heavy, but then what if you had the openended str8 flush draw... That is what you often have (or better) in omaha, which is what makes it a drawing game, BUT it in no way means that it is any more correct to chase just one type of draw. Just as an example in the situation bellow I am the one with the aces against the floped nuts. If you run the odds you will see that I am actually a decent favorite, but that is because I have both a boat and a flush draw against his nut str8, and you can see that in omaha it is theoretically possible for me to flop the nut str8 there along with the boat and flush draw, in which case that guy is praying for a split, and it would actually be correct for him to fold the nuts on the flop! Crazy game  .
** Game ID 1396486338 starting - 2007-05-20 19:20:03
** Rounders Dream [Omaha] (0.50|1.00 Pot Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- mocho6 sitting in seat 1 with $45.67
- chocolatine sitting in seat 2 with $0.00 [Sitting out]
- huxt13 sitting in seat 3 with $206.10 [Dealer]
- foolish123 sitting in seat 4 with $108.45
- craven123 sitting in seat 5 with $140.95
- playin_poker sitting in seat 6 with $107.00
foolish123 posted the small blind - $0.50
craven123 posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to playin_poker: Ace of Spades, 2 of Clubs, 9 of Diamonds, Ace of Diamonds
playin_poker raised - $3.50
mocho6 called - $3.50
huxt13 folded
foolish123 called - $3.50
craven123 folded
** Dealing the flop: Ace of Clubs, King of Diamonds, 10 of Diamonds
foolish123 checked
playin_poker bet - $11.50
mocho6 went all-in - $42.17
foolish123 folded
playin_poker called - $42.17
** Dealing the turn: 8 of Clubs
** Dealing the river: 4 of Spades
mocho6 shows: Jack of Clubs, Queen of Clubs, Queen of Spades, 3 of Hearts
playin_poker mucks: Ace of Spades, 2 of Clubs, 9 of Diamonds, Ace of Diamonds
mocho6 wins $93.84 from the main pot
End of game 1396486338 |
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adelaidecrows02
Royal Flush
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Posts: 604
Location: Adelaide Australia
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Thansk for that insite. I played again last nite for the second time, and left the table $13 ahead, after losing $20 on first attempt. so after 311 hands I am 7 down, which isnt bad for just starting. More questions:
1. SNG's - are these played differently to NLHE - in that when I play NLHE SNG's I usually start very tight and loosen as I go. How do you recommend playing Omaha Hi SNG's? I am going to try one tonite,
2. I dont play alot of ring games of NLHE- only because I dont enjoy them - I much prefer to play MTT's. However, I am enjoying playing ring games for Omaha Hi, so will continue - my question is that is it normal for a player to be aggressive in this game? My stats suggest that I am overly aggressive. It could be because I am still getting used to what hands can be made etc, but I am extremely comfortable playing this game this way - is that wrong?
3. Bannkroll management - is it similar to holdem with the amount of buyins for ring games etc?
4. Any other sites that have a decent amount of MTT's for Omaha Hi? There dont appear to be a great deal on FTP, which is a shame cause I love this site. |
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Strasse
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Location: Austin, TX
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| adelaidecrows02 wrote: |
Thansk for that insite. I played again last nite for the second time, and left the table $13 ahead, after losing $20 on first attempt. so after 311 hands I am 7 down, which isnt bad for just starting. More questions:
1. SNG's - are these played differently to NLHE - in that when I play NLHE SNG's I usually start very tight and loosen as I go. How do you recommend playing Omaha Hi SNG's? I am going to try one tonite,
2. I dont play alot of ring games of NLHE- only because I dont enjoy them - I much prefer to play MTT's. However, I am enjoying playing ring games for Omaha Hi, so will continue - my question is that is it normal for a player to be aggressive in this game? My stats suggest that I am overly aggressive. It could be because I am still getting used to what hands can be made etc, but I am extremely comfortable playing this game this way - is that wrong?
3. Bannkroll management - is it similar to holdem with the amount of buyins for ring games etc?
4. Any other sites that have a decent amount of MTT's for Omaha Hi? There dont appear to be a great deal on FTP, which is a shame cause I love this site. |
1. In SNGs, most people will be content to limp with any hand except aces(which they always raise pot), so try and get in cheap with some hands early and hope to find people overplaying their hands postflop. Once some of the idiots get eliminated, you will be able to raise preflop and play a bit more normal.
2. Low limits, don't be so aggressive preflop, people will still call with anything, and your hand isn't really worth much until you see a flop. Postflop, be as aggressive as you want to be.
3. You should probably have a higher BR for omaha, it is higher variance.
4. Can't answer this one. |
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