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ThunderCrew · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: Ok wtf am I missing here ?

Ok As im venturing out trying to learn new games I tried 5 card draw
stud and omaha HI/lo so far.

WHAT THE HELL AM I MISSING HERE ?
If it is supposed to use 2 cards from holding hand to make your best hand
WHY THE HELL do I lose here?
I see a King high flush If it used my K Diamond but 2 pair wins?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2365190536: Table Nellis - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 14:24:15 ET - 2007/05/06
Seat 1: IBIBLIO ($5.65)
Seat 2: ArtiesKid ($8)
Seat 3: ThunderCrew ($2)
Seat 4: quaiquai ($5.80)
Seat 5: jl777888 ($10), is sitting out
Seat 6: pet_511_bcnp ($9.90)
Seat 7: BlackPi ($3.80)
Seat 8: shortypete ($3.90)
Seat 9: LethalHairdo ($9.60)
pet_511_bcnp posts the small blind of $0.05
BlackPi posts the big blind of $0.10
ArtiesKid posts $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ThunderCrew [Jh Js Kd 3c]
ThunderCrew: guess not just yet
shortypete folds
LethalHairdo calls $0.10
IBIBLIO calls $0.10
ArtiesKid checks
ThunderCrew raises to $0.65
quaiquai folds
pet_511_bcnp folds
BlackPi folds
LethalHairdo folds
IBIBLIO calls $0.55
ArtiesKid folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9d 3d]
IBIBLIO bets $1.65
ThunderCrew: now im out gg all
ThunderCrew calls $1.35, and is all in
IBIBLIO shows [3s As Th Ks]
ThunderCrew shows [Jh Js Kd 3c]
Uncalled bet of $0.30 returned to IBIBLIO
*** TURN *** [Ah 9d 3d] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 9d 3d Td] [6d]
IBIBLIO shows two pair, Aces and Tens, for high
ThunderCrew shows a pair of Jacks, for high <<<How is JJ my high ?
IBIBLIO wins the pot ($3.95) with two pair, Aces and Tens
ThunderCrew is sitting out
No low hand qualified

Does it just run off Hi and low cards ?
If so then why dont I split there for the low?
What constitues as "low"

I thought it was just like holdem as far as flushes etc count for high hand
and then low hand was the low cards or smaller hand.

sloshedzeus · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject:

You not only use two card, but have to use two cards. Unless you have two diamonds in your hand, you cannot make a diamond flush. The same applys for the low.

Strasse · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject:

You might want to try learning a little about the game before you try playing it again. You have to use 2 cards to make a high hand, and 2 cards to make a low hand. You only had one card that was 8 or below, so you cannot make a low no matter what the board is. The reason you did not make a flush, is that you were trying to use only one card, even though you claimed you were using two. The hand that you had is a very very bad hi/lo hand, since you cannot make a low, and the only cards you really have for a hi are just your kings. You want a hand that compliments itself.

ThunderCrew · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject:

Thanx sloshed and strasse.
I just assumed hi/lo meant Highest ranking hand and lowest ranking hand split pots.

Asfar as using 2 cards to make a hand I would assume here it would just
use KJ King of diamond to make my flush and J rag as the second card.

I will read up more on how to play some of these games.
I want to add variety to the game I play as I did with just adding in mtt
with my normal game.

Thanx for the feedback.

muktuk2 · Flush Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 127 Location: belgium

You assumed right. Best hand wins half the pot, best low hand the other half. To qualify for low, you must have 5 different cards 8 or below (for example a2468). Where you went wrong is that a hand is constructed out of no more or no less then 2 cards from your starting hand and 3 from the board. So when the board doesnt show at least 3 (different in rank) cards 8 or below, no low is possible and the high hand takes the whole pot (scoop). To make a flush you have to have 2 suited cards in your starting hand and 3 suited on the board. Consequently to make a full house, the board MUST be paired.

Beware of dodgy flushes and lows though. A jack or queen (and even a king)high flush is easily and frequently beaten by a higher flush in omaha (or a full house or better), especially in a multiway pot (shorthanded you should be fine). Even a full house isn't all that powerfull in omaha, depending on what cards you make it with. If jacks are paired on the board, accompanied by a 6 and you hold pocket 6's (which you normally don't play in high low, but let's not get into that right now), you should give up the hand if there is a lot of jamming being done by other players. At least one of them is certain to have jacks full or better to beat your sixes full.
Regarding the low: the highest card out of your low determines the strength of it. The one with the 'lowest high card' takes the low half. For example: a2347 beats a2348 for low because 7 is lower then 8. 23568 beats a4568 for low, because a 3 is lower then a 4.
If both have the same low hand (suppose you both have a2 on a board of 468KK), the low is split and you get a quarter of the whole pot.

Nice to see you getting into omaha hi lo. It's a fun game once you figure it out. Definetally my favourite! Good luck with it.

ThunderCrew · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject:

Thanx Muk I might play it on play chips and learn it before doing it on cash again.
Ps might do that for all the games Razz stud etc. Learn them the way I did for NLHE on chips.
Then play them on cash.

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