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HuJwang
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Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Posts: 6379
Location: Halifax, NS
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| fire_eyes_2k wrote: |
| mathman1115 wrote: |
Todays session: appx 140 hands
net...... -36.5 big bets.
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Thats nothing. My 'hilarious' day so far is:
80 Hands, Showdowns won 0%, net -31 Big Bets
And my favourite hand:
Full Tilt Poker Game #2153057849: Table Lakeridge (speed) - $1/$2 - Limit Hold'em - 20:59:41 ET - 2007/04/06
Stukad posts the small blind of $0.50
Crovax83 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fire_eyes_2k [Kc Ah]
lmvegas calls $1
Eric Hammond folds
natedawwg71 calls $1
fire_eyes_2k raises to $2
JoeDude calls $2
GSuarez2222 folds
CedWilly folds
Stukad folds
Crovax83 folds
lmvegas calls $1
natedawwg71 calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Jd Kh 7c]
lmvegas checks
natedawwg71 checks
fire_eyes_2k bets $1
JoeDude calls $1
lmvegas folds
natedawwg71 folds
*** TURN *** [Jd Kh 7c] [8d]
fire_eyes_2k bets $2
JoeDude calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Jd Kh 7c 8d] [8s]
fire_eyes_2k bets $2
JoeDude raises to $4
fire_eyes_2k calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JoeDude shows [Tc 8c] (three of a kind, Eights)
fire_eyes_2k mucks
JoeDude wins the pot ($22.50) with three of a kind, Eights
I'm playing particularly poorly, but hands like this just make me want to go out and kill somebody. |
that's definitely frustrating but i don't think his play is that bad. preflop is bad but there's 2 limpers so he knows the pot will be multiway. after that he had the correct odds with a gutshot and backdoor flush draw. on the turn he picked up a pair which gives him what is likely 9 outs. |
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fire_eyes_2k
The Burn Card
Joined: 18 Jan 2006
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Location: London
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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that's definitely frustrating but i don't think his play is that bad. preflop is bad but there's 2 limpers so he knows the pot will be multiway. after that he had the correct odds with a gutshot and backdoor flush draw. on the turn he picked up a pair which gives him what is likely 9 outs. |
If you would play those types of hands in that sort of scenario, then you are welcome at my table any day. Marginal flop and turn odds to not make up for ridiculous preflop calls that are just throwing money down the drain. |
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HuJwang
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Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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Location: Halifax, NS
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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that's definitely frustrating but i don't think his play is that bad. preflop is bad but there's 2 limpers so he knows the pot will be multiway. after that he had the correct odds with a gutshot and backdoor flush draw. on the turn he picked up a pair which gives him what is likely 9 outs. |
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Zophar
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Posts: 3619
Location: East Coast
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Mathman, you've probably considered it already, but just a friendly reminder(something I have to remind myself of also). Whenever you try adapting new styles or altering your play even only in the slightest you are still going to experience the downswings. Just consider whether you played each hand for it's maximum value or minimal loss. I always had the "Sklansky Dollars" concept in the back of my mind, but after reading about a similar concept, "G-Bucks" I realized it is very important. I'll try to find the article tomorrow. |
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cubbies760
Drawing Dead
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
Posts: 7385
Location: Suburban Chicago
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Limit Quiz |
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Ok, here is a series of questions i put together. It's not so much to quiz you, but more to help me out, as i have been struggling with limit. I have read books and played 20k hands at the 1/2 level, which by no means makes me an expert, but i thought i at least knew what i was doing. I probably have some leaks in my game, so maybe some of you limit experts can help me out here. I think i may be playing too tight.
All of these questions are $1/$2 limit holdem, 9 handed. I'll indicate in the question whether or not the table is generally tight, loose, passive, aggressive, etc.
1. For the past few sessions, i am seeing the flop 16-18% of the time. Now, i haven't exactly had a great run of cards, but is this too tight for an average table?
I would think that you are playing a bit too tight, maybe every 4 or 5 hands---20% to 25%
2. I see players limping with all kinds of goofy **** (suited gappers, Ax suited, 9To) in EP. When they limp, they seem to encourage others to limp, allowing 4 or 5 players to the flop. I see them winning huge pots all the time. The problem is if i limp with a hand like this, i almost always get raised because my opponents read me as tight, so i probably have a low pp. Should i consider limping with more hands like the above, or should i stay away those trap hands in EP?
I would keep limping with the suited connectors from EP, hoping to get more limpers along the way, and even if one of the blinds raises, all of the limpers are gonna see the flop. I never play a weak unsuited Ace, anywhere or anytime....period.
3. I am the SB. It folds around to the button who raises. I have K9s. In general, should i call, reraise, or fold, regardless of table type?
I think it is dependent on his image, and what your image is perceived to be....you said that you are perceived to be tight, so raise him sometimes to take control of the hand, and call him sometimes to keep him honest. I would rarely fold to him, this will encourage him to bully you.
4. I am the BB. It folds around to the SB who raises. I have J9o. Do i call, reraise, or fold?
Same response as for #3
5. I am in LP. It folds around to the player before me who raises. I have 55. Should i reraise to get it heads up hoping he has two big cards, call to entice others to the flop, or fold? The raiser is somewhat loose. What if the raiser is tight?
Fold, wait for a better hand with better showdown value.
6. Loose Table. I am in LP. Two players limp before me, and i decide to limp with KsJs. Should i raise instead? The SB completes, BB checks, and 5 players see a flop of 279 with two diamonds. The SB leads out, BB folds, and both EP limpesr call. There are 8 small bets in the pot. I have slight odds to chase my overcards, so should I? I think i fold overcards too much, but here is my thinking......
With 4 players still in, the Kd and Jd could complete a flush, which leaves me dead. Any other J could complete a str8 (with Ten Eight), which also leaves me dead. I am assuming no one has two pair or a set already, which is possible. Its only one small bet, but if i do hit, then i'm committed to the end, and i could still lose on the river to two pair, str8, flush, you name it.
I think calling the flop will only commit you to the hand if you hit, and as you said, there are alot of potential dead cards for you, Fold. Not raising PF is correct, IMO
7. I am in the SB. An LP player raises, and i have 78s. Should i fold, call, or reraise an average player? What about the same situation if i have Ax?
Fold, the Ax hand may only have 3 outs (and because I've learned that Ax can lose alot of $$$), and the suited connectors are only worth playing for better odds as in a multi-way pot.
8. I am the SB. It folds around to the (generally tight) button, who limps. I have A7. Should i raise to attempt to get rid of the BB, or just complete and see a cheap flop?
This may be the exception to my rule of never playing a weak ace. I probably raise in this situation. There is a good chance that you can push the button out of the hand somewhere after the flop.
My problem in general with raising to "get rid" of players is that it just doesn't work. People cold call with a variety of hands, and surely call one more small bet in the BB with almost any two cards. What is the point of trying to isolate when it doesn't work?
9. Should i just about always cap preflop with QQ and AK? What about at a tight table?
Yes, your hand has decent showdown value, and you have a chance to thin the field a bit with the cap
10. If i am in MP to LP, and it is folded around to me, and i have a hand worth playing, should i lean more toward raising than just calling? I'm talking hands like two paint, low pp, suited Aces, etc, which usually are more valuable with multiple players to the flop.
I don't play a low PP the same as 2 paint. I only play a low PP in a multi-way pot with the hope of flopping a set, otherwise I dont play them at all. With 2 paint in the situation you describe, I would raise.
I would appreciate any help here. I mean, i think i know most of the answers to these, but i just feel like my game is outdated. I have not adjusted to the current style of "any two cards" can win.
When you do answer, just indicate what number you are responding too so no one gets confused. Thanks! |
I am going to attempt to answer these based on my very limited FL play. all critique is welcome. I will assume that Zophar has put in his 2 cents worth, and will read his post (if it exists) after i post this. |
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cubbies760
Drawing Dead
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
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Location: Suburban Chicago
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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LOL...Of course, Zophar was 1st to respond!  |
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