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fire_eyes_2k
The Burn Card
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 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: How much did you lose??? |
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Some of you may have noticed recently I've been posting hands from 2/4 LHE games which are far beyond my pitiful skill level and may have wondered what the hell I was doing, and just how much I was losing. The answer is simple...
5 weeks ago my bankroll was boosted by a big tourney cash, and in a moment of stupidity and boredom, I set myself a challenge. Could I play 25,000 hands of poker, and make more through a site's reward scheme than I lost at the tables?
Day 1: We need a site and a game to choose on. The site was close between UB, Stars and Doylesroom. In the end I elected to go for stars as my money was already there and I was very familiar with how the rewards system worked. (Later I realised I was missing out on a huge deposit bonus @ the other 2, but hey that was mistake no. 1)
The game had to be a FL game as I didn't want someone running off with thousands of dollars of my money just because I made the same mistake 5 times in 25000 hands of NLHE. There just arent enough people playing stud, I suck at omaha, so FLHE it was. I figured 2/4 was the best rake gatherer/point collector, so the stage was set...
Day 2: Begin playing with a nice $60 for my first 250 hands.
Day 3: Realised this was going to take forever playing just one table, so began multitabling, and found this actually cuts down on FPS as I was usually too busy to think about getting creative with squadoosh.
Day 16: 10,000 hands played, and a pleasant surprise. I'm UP!!! So far $100 in amazon vouchers earned through the reward scheme, a $12 cash in a freeroll. AND I'm UP in the cash games. $470, at a rate of 1.14 BB/100
Day 25: Now played 20,000 hands and it looks like gravity is kicking in. I'm still up for the cash games a total of $265. So in the last 10k hands I've lost $205. But I've made another $100 in amazon vouchers and had a $20 cash in a freeroll.
Day 30: That's it. The 25,000 hand mark has been reached. Continued to lose in the cash games, primarily due to a monumental slump of -$460 in the final 3k hands. I earned some more amazon vouchers and had an $80 cash in a freeroll.
Final totals are as follows:
Cash games: +$189 (0.19 BB/100)
Amazon vouchers earned: $400
Freeroll earnings: $112
So it was officially a success. Total profit of $701 and most importantly I WAS UP in the cash games. Unexpected but pretty cool.
But what sort of challenge would this be if I didn't go on about everything I've learned over the last 30 days of this epic adventure, so here goes 5 things I wish someone had told me about LHE before I embarked:
1) A check-raise on the turn usually means you are screwed.
2) Aces really can be beaten by 42s
3) When a calling station starts raising, there are giong to be tears from someone.
4) Turn agression should be greater than river agression.
5) KJ is not a good hand no matter how pretty it looks.
6) Dont call preflop raises with KQ.
So adventure over, any suggestions for my next challenge are welcome. Currently I'm thinking of trying to learn Omaha or Razz on the micro limit tables. |
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Bryce_Conley
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| Is there any reason why you don't want to stick to Hold em for your next "adventure"? |
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bigwheell
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Nice post, and I am glad to see your experiment went well. I have all but given up on FLHE. I just do not think that I can put in enough hands to make a go of it...A bunch of things made me decide to quit the Fixed Limit game, shift work, overtime, family obligations, 15k hands run of terrible cards that killed my BR. I can't find the time to play enough for variance to even out.
Enough of that. If you are looking for a great game that is still full of people willing to give up their money easily, check out PLO.
6max .50/1 is terribly soft and I have been having fun with it. Table selection is pretty important from what I have found, and I will table shop until I find a couple of 6max tables that seem to fit my style.
Keep us posted on how things go with your next experiment. |
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asfispimp
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Joined: 22 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:55 am Post subject: Re: How much did you lose??? |
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| fire_eyes_2k wrote: |
Some of you may have noticed recently I've been posting hands from 2/4 LHE games which are far beyond my pitiful skill level and may have wondered what the hell I was doing, and just how much I was losing. The answer is simple...
5 weeks ago my bankroll was boosted by a big tourney cash, and in a moment of stupidity and boredom, I set myself a challenge. Could I play 25,000 hands of poker, and make more through a site's reward scheme than I lost at the tables?
Day 1: We need a site and a game to choose on. The site was close between UB, Stars and Doylesroom. In the end I elected to go for stars as my money was already there and I was very familiar with how the rewards system worked. (Later I realised I was missing out on a huge deposit bonus @ the other 2, but hey that was mistake no. 1)
The game had to be a FL game as I didn't want someone running off with thousands of dollars of my money just because I made the same mistake 5 times in 25000 hands of NLHE. There just arent enough people playing stud, I suck at omaha, so FLHE it was. I figured 2/4 was the best rake gatherer/point collector, so the stage was set...
Day 2: Begin playing with a nice $60 for my first 250 hands.
Day 3: Realised this was going to take forever playing just one table, so began multitabling, and found this actually cuts down on FPS as I was usually too busy to think about getting creative with squadoosh.
Day 16: 10,000 hands played, and a pleasant surprise. I'm UP!!! So far $100 in amazon vouchers earned through the reward scheme, a $12 cash in a freeroll. AND I'm UP in the cash games. $470, at a rate of 1.14 BB/100
Day 25: Now played 20,000 hands and it looks like gravity is kicking in. I'm still up for the cash games a total of $265. So in the last 10k hands I've lost $205. But I've made another $100 in amazon vouchers and had a $20 cash in a freeroll.
Day 30: That's it. The 25,000 hand mark has been reached. Continued to lose in the cash games, primarily due to a monumental slump of -$460 in the final 3k hands. I earned some more amazon vouchers and had an $80 cash in a freeroll.
Final totals are as follows:
Cash games: +$189 (0.19 BB/100)
Amazon vouchers earned: $400
Freeroll earnings: $112
So it was officially a success. Total profit of $701 and most importantly I WAS UP in the cash games. Unexpected but pretty cool.
But what sort of challenge would this be if I didn't go on about everything I've learned over the last 30 days of this epic adventure, so here goes 5 things I wish someone had told me about LHE before I embarked:
1) A check-raise on the turn usually means you are screwed.
2) Aces really can be beaten by 42s
3) When a calling station starts raising, there are giong to be tears from someone.
4) Turn agression should be greater than river agression.
5) KJ is not a good hand no matter how pretty it looks.
6) Dont call preflop raises with KQ.
So adventure over, any suggestions for my next challenge are welcome. Currently I'm thinking of trying to learn Omaha or Razz on the micro limit tables. |
sounds like a good learning experience and that youve improved your game. I have a feeling if I were to embark on this journey, Id go on tilt after the first 5k hands and lose big. If you need help with razz, Id be a good person to learn from.  |
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honkythunder
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1) A check-raise on the turn usually means you are screwed
Great post. I picked just this one line to comment on but the whole thing was quality.
Re: the check raise....
You are correct. A check/raise on the turn is about the most reliable indication of strength in LHE. A few tidbits from me:
Few players at 2/4 or below can or will lay their hand down to a turn check/raise so use it a lot.
If you ever see someone lay down a hand (about as common as a blue moon on the fifth Tuesday in February) MAKE A NOTE! Then use the turn check/raise as a bluff on that player. |
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BigStack Husker
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| I hated playing 2/4 limit at the casino's cuz everybody an there mom calls with nothin but garbage. I play 5/10 limit which seems to be a lot better an you can play poker like it should be. Ive been alot more successful at the bigger limit. Would like to play 1/3 no limit but the bankroll isnt big enough yet. Took 200 one night to the nlhe game at the casino, played like a freakin donkey an was out in 2 hours. learned my lesson. |
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deadmoney314
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: Re: How much did you lose??? |
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| fire_eyes_2k wrote: |
Some of you may have noticed recently I've been posting hands from 2/4 LHE games which are far beyond my pitiful skill level and may have wondered what the hell I was doing, and just how much I was losing. The answer is simple...
5 weeks ago my bankroll was boosted by a big tourney cash, and in a moment of stupidity and boredom, I set myself a challenge. Could I play 25,000 hands of poker, and make more through a site's reward scheme than I lost at the tables?
I likey fireiis, and this is how many have made a living from poker for a long time
Day 1: We need a site and a game to choose on. The site was close between UB, Stars and Doylesroom. In the end I elected to go for stars as my money was already there and I was very familiar with how the rewards system worked. (Later I realised I was missing out on a huge deposit bonus @ the other 2, but hey that was mistake no. 1)
bleh, should have gone UB, faster tables
Cash games: +$189 (0.19 BB/100)
Amazon vouchers earned: $400
Freeroll earnings: $112
Yay, te4h prize
But what sort of challenge would this be if I didn't go on about everything I've learned over the last 30 days of this epic adventure, so here goes 5 things I wish someone had told me about LHE before I embarked:
I liked this next part as well
1) A check-raise on the turn usually means you are screwed.
Tru tru, until someone figures out that you believe this--enter the screwplay
3) When a player w/AF 0.20 starts raising, there are giong to be tears from someone.
4) Flop AF > Turn agression should be greater than river agression.
5) KJ is a mediocre hand and I'd rather have it than A2s in the hijack.
6) Dont call preflop raises with KQ from squeaky tight players--especially UTG.
So adventure over, any suggestions for my next challenge are welcome. Currently I'm thinking of trying to learn Omaha or Razz on the micro limit tables. |
The Cahllenge: Be a 80k winnar or -80k loser in AP blackjack |
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fire_eyes_2k
The Burn Card
Joined: 18 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: Re: How much did you lose??? |
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4) Flop AF > Turn agression should be greater than river agression.
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I'm going to have to take issue there, I prefer to turn the heat up on the turn when the bet size doubles. If you flop a set and someone bets into you I'll happily call the flop then let them fire again on the turn before raising. Or if OOP and someone raises a flop bet I'll flat call and check/raise the turn, unless the free card play is obvious.
Particularly in the OOP scenario, from the villain's point of view, it's pretty easy to call down a check/raise on the turn with middle pair, but if the flop gets reraised then i lead the turn, folding is a much easier option.
I know you're a 6-max player dm where agression reigns supreme, but I think in a full ring game, I want my opponents to stay in the pot as long as possible and give them every opportunity to make the mistake of betting, which they often do. |
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deadmoney314
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| Oh, thought you were talking about 6max, I tend to make that bad assumption about FLHE posts. But in general this should still hold true for 9 max lest you might be falling into FPS. Its one thing to protect your hand by charging more for draws on the turn, but there are few boards/situations that you can honestly do that with without giving up one of the multiple larger edges by slowplaying. |
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