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Jaconda78
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 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Very specific circumstances in HU play when he limped in to see the flop. Most players don't realize this. |
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24sooted
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Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| Jaconda78 wrote: |
| Very specific circumstances in HU play when he limped in to see the flop. Most players don't realize this. |
i can see how DOYLE would like this hand - if you believe in luck --- as for the rest of us FOLD!!!!!!! |
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24sooted
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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NOW FOR A NEW TIP:
In heads up play - no matter what game it is....... Yes, we all know hand value increases dramatically heads up BUT STOP CALLING EVERY SINGLE PRE FLOP RAISE.
-- today in a 20 heads up NL - i have AKh against an over aggressive player, so i limp -- and of course he raises from 30 to 150, i now RE raise to 600, he calls.
FLOP:
2h 10h Js
i go all in with my AK and 15 outs. HE CALLS WITH 6 2 - which at this point happens to be good --- but....... COME ON! i miss and i ask him "HOW DO U CALL 600 PRE FLOP WITH 6 2" his reply: "WELL ITS HEADS UP, NO MATTER WHAT I HAVE ITS 50/50 BEFORE THE FLOP"
i then challenged this guy to a rematch and DESTROYED him then i tried to get him to play me for 100 heads up but he ran away. Just another tip from a non pro -- DO NOT CALL PRE FLOP EVERY DAMN TIME (unless ur playing against me, in which case i welcome it) |
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rob14136
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Location: Western New York
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| 24sooted wrote: |
| In heads up play - no matter what game it is....... Yes, we all know hand value increases dramatically heads up BUT STOP CALLING EVERY SINGLE PRE FLOP RAISE. |
Unless you are wired, your opponent is looking at the very least, 75/25 odds, which in this case, you have him dominated. However, most any hand is playable for heads up action with 65/35 or better odds. If you are complaining to get a call when you have slick and he calls your reraise with 2,6 then maybe poker isnt your game. Again, if you are complaining that he calls your all in when you have 15 outs and he has bottom pair with a dog kicker, then poker isnt your game.
If you want him to stop calling the raises, they why are you even raising? If you are raising a lot, which you should be in heads up play, why you are complaining when you get a call? It builds the pot, allows you to make big bets and put your opponent on bad calls without odds and you are probably the favorite many times if he is just calling. He is not just going to lay down to you and give you his money, poker is a battle and most of us aren't really nice guys and gals when it comes to making questionable plays.
********** I've noticed this is the second time in this thread you are complaining about someone calling your raise with marginal holdings, so apparently, you didnt make your hand, they did and you bet it anyways, hoping for a fold just because you were the opener and they took you down. So.... three things.
1. Open with better hands.
2. Let them go when you are beat.
3. Dont get pissed when someone calls you with weak hands. This should be expected if you are playing online and even encouraged.
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As far as 10,2 for anyone who wants to continue to refer to "The Brunson" as a good hand to raise, limp or call a raise with and see the flop, I suggest you actually watch the two hands in question where Brunson did win the World Series with it. That just happened to be the hand he was holding when he won, but again, watch the damn heads up match and see those two hands played..... |
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24sooted
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Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| rob14136 wrote: |
| 24sooted wrote: |
| In heads up play - no matter what game it is....... Yes, we all know hand value increases dramatically heads up BUT STOP CALLING EVERY SINGLE PRE FLOP RAISE. |
Unless you are wired, your opponent is looking at the very least, 75/25 odds, which in this case, you have him dominated. However, most any hand is playable for heads up action with 65/35 or better odds. If you are complaining to get a call when you have slick and he calls your reraise with 2,6 then maybe poker isnt your game. Again, if you are complaining that he calls your all in when you have 15 outs and he has bottom pair with a dog kicker, then poker isnt your game.
If you want him to stop calling the raises, they why are you even raising? If you are raising a lot, which you should be in heads up play, why you are complaining when you get a call? It builds the pot, allows you to make big bets and put your opponent on bad calls without odds and you are probably the favorite many times if he is just calling. He is not just going to lay down to you and give you his money, poker is a battle and most of us aren't really nice guys and gals when it comes to making questionable plays.
********** I've noticed this is the second time in this thread you are complaining about someone calling your raise with marginal holdings, so apparently, you didnt make your hand, they did and you bet it anyways, hoping for a fold just because you were the opener and they took you down. So.... three things.
1. Open with better hands.
2. Let them go when you are beat.
3. Dont get pissed when someone calls you with weak hands. This should be expected if you are playing online and even encouraged.
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As far as 10,2 for anyone who wants to continue to refer to "The Brunson" as a good hand to raise, limp or call a raise with and see the flop, I suggest you actually watch the two hands in question where Brunson did win the World Series with it. That just happened to be the hand he was holding when he won, but again, watch the damn heads up match and see those two hands played..... |
Well "Rob", perhaps you didnt take the time to read my entire post in which i said "unless you are playing against me in which case i welcome it" THIS IS A TIP-FROM-NON-PROS thread, my TIP is not to call -- and its a good tip. I never said i didnt want my opponents doing this if you read carefully. I just intermingled a bad beat story with a tip and it got confusing. |
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24sooted
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Also i would like to issue a a NEW RULE FOR THIS MESSAGE BOARD. anyone who is gonna use the phrase "if.......... then poker isnt your game" Must put their money where their mouth is. I AM ISSUING AN OPEN CHALLENGE TO ANYONE THAT USES THAT ANNOYING ASS PHRASE TO PLAY ME HEADS UP. I will play NL holem, Limit holdem, Omaha Hi, and 7 stud heads up for anywhere from $5 - $50. So HOPEFULL ROB WILL TAKE ME UP ON THIS CHALLENGE, especially since he is CLEARLY the better player.... i mean after all --- maybe poker isnt my game? |
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gibbygib
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| 24, for some people the internet is their prime tool to belittle others and feel better about themselves. However, I don't think this is the case with Rob. |
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rob14136
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:02 am Post subject: Re: |
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| gibbygib wrote: |
| 24, for some people the internet is their prime tool to belittle others and feel better about themselves. However, I don't think this is the case with Rob. |
Appreciated, since I tarnished his ego.
24, My reference to your comment about playing 10,2 off was not so much targeted at you, but as more to a general audience of viewers on this board, who may or may not post, but read the threads alike. Pros; Skilled Players; Weekend Warriors; Amatuer Players; or Juvenille, Play Chip, Someday when Im legal to gamble Im gonna play for real money and pay Robs bills, what they were suited, gonna play poker for the rest of my life, Player.
Do not get so defensive over my comments 24sooted, I was not attacking you or your game. I noticed your gripe about people calling raises often heads up and saw your hand in question. I saw a great situation for you and you spoke of it like he was stupid and you were great about how you played it. Funny thing is, which I dont understand your distraught over the matter, is that you are right and were correct to play the hand like you did and you just didn't hit your cards to make the hand. Life goes on. Shuffle up and deal.
What I questioned, was your gripe about the other guys play, when this is ideally, how you want your opponents to play and this is how you get paid off. You put your opponents into rough situations where you can take a lot of money or chips off them by their mistakes. This is why I said if you are complaining about a situation like the one you described because his twos held up, then poker might not be your game. That was an ideal situation for you in my mind and it just didnt work out that particular time. If you watch poker on TV, its a pretty good assumption most people do, then you'll notice percentage signs next to hands when they are played. The bigger one, is the favorite. The little one, is the underdog. Just like you would imagine, the underdog doesnt win a lot. In your particular hand, you padded the statistic which is all part of the percentages that we use to calculate..... "the odds". *lightning crashes* Not guarentees, nothing for sure til you see the checkmark next to the hand that can only lose if its folded, just, the odds.
You may already know these things and I'm not trying to insult your intelligence by rehearsing them to you, but it appeared as though you forgot them. I know when I forget things, repetition makes me remember them for the future.
In short, I decline your challenge for some grudge game of cards. If you want to sit with me sometime on a table, welcome to the game. If you take a few bucks of me and cop an ego with me. Whatever, we got something to joke about. However, you misunderstood my intent and took it offensively. My apologies. |
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24sooted
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| rob14136 wrote: |
| gibbygib wrote: |
| 24, for some people the internet is their prime tool to belittle others and feel better about themselves. However, I don't think this is the case with Rob. |
Appreciated, since I tarnished his ego.
24, My reference to your comment about playing 10,2 off was not so much targeted at you, but as more to a general audience of viewers on this board, who may or may not post, but read the threads alike. Pros; Skilled Players; Weekend Warriors; Amatuer Players; or Juvenille, Play Chip, Someday when Im legal to gamble Im gonna play for real money and pay Robs bills, what they were suited, gonna play poker for the rest of my life, Player.
Do not get so defensive over my comments 24sooted, I was not attacking you or your game. I noticed your gripe about people calling raises often heads up and saw your hand in question. I saw a great situation for you and you spoke of it like he was stupid and you were great about how you played it. Funny thing is, which I dont understand your distraught over the matter, is that you are right and were correct to play the hand like you did and you just didn't hit your cards to make the hand. Life goes on. Shuffle up and deal.
What I questioned, was your gripe about the other guys play, when this is ideally, how you want your opponents to play and this is how you get paid off. You put your opponents into rough situations where you can take a lot of money or chips off them by their mistakes. This is why I said if you are complaining about a situation like the one you described because his twos held up, then poker might not be your game. That was an ideal situation for you in my mind and it just didnt work out that particular time. If you watch poker on TV, its a pretty good assumption most people do, then you'll notice percentage signs next to hands when they are played. The bigger one, is the favorite. The little one, is the underdog. Just like you would imagine, the underdog doesnt win a lot. In your particular hand, you padded the statistic which is all part of the percentages that we use to calculate..... "the odds". *lightning crashes* Not guarentees, nothing for sure til you see the checkmark next to the hand that can only lose if its folded, just, the odds.
You may already know these things and I'm not trying to insult your intelligence by rehearsing them to you, but it appeared as though you forgot them. I know when I forget things, repetition makes me remember them for the future.
In short, I decline your challenge for some grudge game of cards. If you want to sit with me sometime on a table, welcome to the game. If you take a few bucks of me and cop an ego with me. Whatever, we got something to joke about. However, you misunderstood my intent and took it offensively. My apologies. |
i do indeed know these things - but as im sure you know, when someone is just a straight up retarded player, sometimes you get too pissed off that luck amd stupidity rewards them to sit down and feel good about what happened. And yet again, this is a "tip from a non-pro" thread, so my TIP was not to play the way that guy did. Obviously i would not mind people calling my all ins with bottom pair 6 kicker haha that'd be fine by me. At the time i posted that i was giving a tip, but i was also pissed about the idiot i had just played. And the only reason i challenged you is because i HATE when people say "if you blah blah blah, then maybe poker isnt your game" - its a pet peeve of mine. And people on this forum seem to LOVE telling other players how much better they are and i thought that was what you were doing, so i figured why not settle it with a heads up game. I guess thats not what u were trying to do, it just seemed like ur post came out of left field like "24, YOU SUCK" haha |
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rob14136
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| And the only reason i challenged you is because i HATE when people say "if you blah blah blah, then maybe poker isnt your game" - its a pet peeve of mine. And people on this forum seem to LOVE telling other players how much better they are |
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| 24, for some people the internet is their prime tool to belittle others and feel better about themselves. However, I don't think this is the case with Rob |
In response to this comment, you yourself should reread what I wrote to you. By no means did I make any statement about being a better player than yourself, you just took it that way.
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| I thought that was what you were doing, so i figured why not settle it with a heads up game. |
I'm not really crazy about challenges on the tables. Poker isn't a game to be played over emotion and who stepped on whos toes, especially on an open comment forum. That is a surefire way to lose money in the long run.
| 24sooted wrote: |
| And yet again, this is a "tip from a non-pro" thread |
By the way, who do you think started this thread? |
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shrum420
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| ive taken he worst beats imaginable but i dont get mad cause i know when i hit that miracle card on the river then i feel good about it.the one thing about gambling a payout is not a guarentee |
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Mighty Russ
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:38 am Post subject: the mystical power of 10 deuce |
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This is a very strong hand, and should be played every time! lol. I tried this hand one time heads up at a live sit n go. I raised on the small blind, he reraised. I thought "I think he's bluffing" plus, you know, Texas Dolly and everything. So I re raise all in. He folded. I showed my bluff, and found out he'd folded j 6. Just for giggles-(it was that kinda tourney, there was slightly more beer than cards), we layed it out and I'da hit the deuce and won!
Not that this is important or anything. Just kinda a fun story to share |
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