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cheecho
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: New to Omaha - When to raise Pre-flop? Reply with quote

I have been playing Omaha for a bit now. I was wondering what cards do you raise with pre-flop?? I see some really good hands winning , so is AA (with 2 random cards) ok to raise with??

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ambitious207
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: New to Omaha - When to raise Pre-flop? Reply with quote

cheecho wrote:
I have been playing Omaha for a bit now. I was wondering what cards do you raise with pre-flop?? I see some really good hands winning , so is AA (with 2 random cards) ok to raise with??

Thanks


There may very well be different schools of thought on how to play AAxx in PLO, but in my school I try to get as much money in the pot preflop. Alot of people at the lower stakes ONLY raise preflop with AAxx so it is kind of easy to get pegged for this hand. I find it profitable to let it be known that you are willing to raise other hands preflop so that people don't automatically know you have AAxx.
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Kloaked Spirit
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a really hard time raising a naked AAxx, especially at lower stakes. I'll probably do it from late position though. The problem with a naked AAxx is that you're not likely to get it heads up and it really isn't a strong hand multi-way. You'll want at least one of them to be suited or have the xx be useful to you in some way.

Also raise hands where the 4 cards work well together. For example, raise hands that contain high double pairs (KKQQ, QQJJ, JJTT.) Go ahead and raise AAxx/KKxx with suits as well. You can also raise rundown hands (KQJT, QJT9, 9876) or rundowns with a suited Ace (A789 with the flush draw.) Also try to do most of your raising from position. Not only are you likely to develop a big pot if you do hit well, but you'll have a good chance of buying the pot if it gets checked to you.
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Charlie M
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the stakes lower stakes the whole table is going to call, and if they hit any type of draw will probably stay until the river I would not play anything with with any of these 3 cards in the han 6-7-8-9 but that is just me
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dumwaldo
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

an Omaha hand contains six 2 card starting hands. You should have 3 good starting hands to call and 4 or more to raise.

Pocket pairs actually reduce your playable hands in Omaha by eliminating one of your 6 starting hands right off the bat.
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Kloaked Spirit
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlie M wrote:
It depends on the stakes lower stakes the whole table is going to call, and if they hit any type of draw will probably stay until the river I would not play anything with with any of these 3 cards in the han 6-7-8-9 but that is just me


Wrong version of Omaha. This is the Hi section. You're giving advice that pertains to hi/lo. In fact 6789 would be a perfectly acceptable Omaha hi hand to play in most cases.
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acekicker626
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AABB KKBB AQKJ JJBB just stuff that looks good that give you a viarity of cards that you can hit the flop with cards that almost make a stright in your hand are good also cause the flop normaly fills the connectors
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Charlie M
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

6789....................

if the flop is 10-J-Q or 9-10-J what do you do?????

I'm not trying to start a fight or be an azz but for a new player I wouldn't play it very easy to go broke on
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Kloaked Spirit
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlie M wrote:
6789....................

if the flop is 10-J-Q or 9-10-J what do you do?????


Well, it's certainly not a bad question at all, but you need to provide a ton more information before I can answer that question:

- I raised PF, so how many people stuck around? This information is extremely important. In a multiway pot you'd have to be more cautious because the liklihood is great that someone does have a better straight. Heads up your hand could very well be good.

- What are the styles of the players that have seen this flop? Are they nutpeddlers or are they capable of actually making the play on the player? You'll have the tendencies to fire hard on this flop against a nutpeddler because they will fear the straight possibility.

- Am I in position? I assume I would be, but just checking on this. Has it been checked to me? Is the flop rainbowed or is there a flush draw out there?

- How deep are the stacks? Do I have a little left or am I hoarding the majority of the table cash? What about my opponent?

All those questions will help me come to an answer about what I choose to do with a flop like this. Now, I'm certainly capable of laying down the low end of the straight because it is a fairly weak and vulnerable hand. However, it'd be absolutely stupid to flop the weak end of the straight and at play it with extreme caution if betting can take down the pot right there and then.

For every flop like that through, there could be 4-5-6, 5-6-7, 5-7-8, etc where the flop hits your hand in a huge way.
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mathman1115
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ambitious makes a good point here.

I do a lot more calling of raises preflop than i do raising preflop myself. I have no problem raising with AAxx in omaha, but there just aren't many other hands worth raising with. Something like KQJT double suited is nice.
But when you raise preflop in omaha, its easy to put most players on a hand. If you make a typical preflop raise with AAxx, and an A flops, you aren't going to get much action except against a monster draw. If an A doesn't flop, you are probably behind against more than 1 opponent.

I like calling raises in omaha with decent starting hands, and then check raising their c-bet on the flop (and yes, at the low limits, no matter what the flop is, they will still make a c-bet) if i hit a set or something.
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sohail
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In low stakes where many people will stick around all the way to the river, The point of raising preflop may not apply. When there're 3,4, or 5 people in the pot all the way the chances of the best starting hand winning will be less than if there's just 2 people. So by raising preflop and failing to persuade most players to lay down their hands the preflop raise may hurt rather help you.
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