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Krogmatic Pair
Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 33 Location: San Diego, California.
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: At any point should I have folded this? |
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PokerStars Game #7563041863: Tournament #38437355, $10+$1 Razz Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2006/12/22 - 22:24:45 (ET)
Table '38437355 2' 8-max
Seat 1: Diamondgrade (9884 in chips)
Seat 2: Krogmatic (11467 in chips)
Seat 3: Addictos (3792 in chips)
Seat 4: NutNoPair (3025 in chips)
Seat 5: sandy1201 (15873 in chips)
Seat 6: kleberAA (5321 in chips)
Seat 8: Hank43 (20428 in chips)
Diamondgrade: posts the ante 80
Krogmatic: posts the ante 80
Addictos: posts the ante 80
NutNoPair: posts the ante 80
sandy1201: posts the ante 80
kleberAA: posts the ante 80
Hank43: posts the ante 80
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to Diamondgrade [Qs]
Dealt to Krogmatic [Ah 2c 3s]
Dealt to Addictos [6d]
Dealt to NutNoPair [Tc]
Dealt to sandy1201 [9s]
Dealt to kleberAA [Kh]
Dealt to Hank43 [4c]
kleberAA: brings-in low 120
Hank43: calls 120
Diamondgrade: folds
Krogmatic: raises 280 to 400
Addictos: calls 400
NutNoPair: folds
sandy1201: folds
kleberAA: folds
Hank43: calls 280
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Krogmatic [Ah 2c 3s] [4h]
Dealt to Addictos [6d] [3d]
Dealt to Hank43 [4c] [2s]
Hank43: checks
Krogmatic: bets 400
Addictos: folds
Hank43: calls 400
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Krogmatic [Ah 2c 3s 4h] [Qc]
Dealt to Hank43 [4c 2s] [9h]
Hank43: bets 800
Krogmatic: raises 800 to 1600
Hank43: calls 800
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Krogmatic [Ah 2c 3s 4h Qc] [Ad]
Dealt to Hank43 [4c 2s 9h] [3c]
Hank43: checks
Krogmatic: bets 800
Hank43: calls 800
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to Krogmatic [Ah 2c 3s 4h Qc Ad] [Kd]
Hank43: checks
Krogmatic: bets 800
Hank43: calls 800
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Krogmatic: shows [Ah 2c 3s 4h Qc Ad Kd] (Lo: Q,4,3,2,A)
Hank43: shows [9d As 4c 2s 9h 3c Ks] (Lo: 9,4,3,2,A)
Hank43 collected 9080 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9080 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Diamondgrade folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Krogmatic showed [Ah 2c 3s 4h Qc Ad Kd] and lost with Lo: Q,4,3,2,A
Seat 3: Addictos folded on the 4th Street
Seat 4: NutNoPair folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sandy1201 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kleberAA folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 8: Hank43 showed [9d As 4c 2s 9h 3c Ks] and won (9080) with Lo: 9,4,3,2,A |
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pebbleboy Royal Flush
Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 845
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldnt have bet on the river.
You got the triple brick on the end. It can cause you to go nuts in RAZZ.  |
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HuJwang Forum Blight
Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 6705 Location: Halifax, NS
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: |
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I wouldnt have bet on the river.
You got the triple brick on the end. It can cause you to go nuts in RAZZ.  |
why not? maybe the other guy missed too. for a measly 800 chips into a huge pot of 7400 chips, he only needs the bluff to work 1 time in 9 for it to be a profitable bet, chip-wise. if raised, he can fold easily. |
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J_Ricks Full House
Joined: 11 Sep 2006 Posts: 172 Location: Does my mom's basement apply?
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| raising on 5th gave you away that you were willing to bluff the hand but started pretty good. I would have called in 5th, called on 6th then raised on 7th maybe...you were showing a hand that he thought he could beat, but the raising is what killed you. |
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asfispimp Message Board Junkie
Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 1763 Location: vegas
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I wouldnt have folded but I would have proceeded with caution until I hit a 7 or maybe 8 low |
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pebbleboy Royal Flush
Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 845
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
| pebbleboy wrote: |
I wouldnt have bet on the river.
You got the triple brick on the end. It can cause you to go nuts in RAZZ.  |
why not? maybe the other guy missed too. for a measly 800 chips into a huge pot of 7400 chips, he only needs the bluff to work 1 time in 9 for it to be a profitable bet, chip-wise. if raised, he can fold easily. |
I would agree with you in a ring game but not in a turny. I would have checked and hope he checked behind me if not I probably would have folded since I knew I was only Q low. But that goes along with the EV in tournys question.
In order for him to be higher he would have to have paired 3 of his cards, opened with a rolled up pair cards or a very bad starting hand. He is not showing anything that would make me belive he would be over 9 low. |
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Ottawa_Boy27 Pair
Joined: 21 Jan 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Ottawa
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Check/fold on 7th unless you've seen him fold to raises on 7th in the past with a less than premium hand. He obviously had a 9 and could've drawn a better hand on the end. And yes, you were right to call on every street but 7th. |
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Ottawa_Boy27 Pair
Joined: 21 Jan 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Ottawa
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Check/fold on 7th unless you've seen him fold to raises on 7th in the past with a less than premium hand. He obviously had a 9 and could've drawn a better hand on the end. And yes, you were right to call on every street but 7th. |
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dardub High Card
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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The same thing happened to me my second time playing razz. I kept raising every chance I got. I knew I had the best hand at the time, but apparantly in razz that doesn't mean anything. What should I have done? Maybe I shouldn't have kept raising after 5th street.
Full Tilt Poker Game #1703552364: $100 Freeroll (12480100), Table 230 - 30/60 Ante 5 - Limit Razz - 21:43:58 ET - 2007/01/30
Seat 1: jrlilly (1,480)
Seat 2: george_jacome (1,220)
Seat 3: todkie (1,490)
Seat 4: lilchuckie (1,420)
Seat 5: Richard_fromNC (1,740)
Seat 6: dardub (1,490)
Seat 7: go4it2 (1,670)
Seat 8: Jhnglyn (1,490)
jrlilly antes 5
george_jacome antes 5
todkie antes 5
lilchuckie antes 5
Richard_fromNC antes 5
dardub antes 5
go4it2 antes 5
Jhnglyn antes 5
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to jrlilly [2h]
Dealt to george_jacome [Qc]
Dealt to todkie [Jh]
Dealt to lilchuckie [Js]
Dealt to Richard_fromNC [Jd]
Dealt to dardub [Ac 2s] [3h]
Dealt to go4it2 [5c]
Dealt to Jhnglyn [6d]
george_jacome is high with [Qc]
george_jacome has 15 seconds left to act
george_jacome brings in for 10
todkie folds
lilchuckie calls 10
Richard_fromNC calls 10
dardub completes it to 30
go4it2 raises to 60
Jhnglyn calls 60
jrlilly calls 60
george_jacome calls 50
lilchuckie calls 50
Richard_fromNC calls 50
dardub raises to 90
go4it2 has 15 seconds left to act
go4it2 raises to 120
Jhnglyn calls 60
jrlilly calls 60
george_jacome calls 60
lilchuckie folds
Richard_fromNC calls 60
dardub calls 30
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to jrlilly [2h] [7h]
Dealt to george_jacome [Qc] [Qh]
Dealt to Richard_fromNC [Jd] [7d]
Dealt to dardub [Ac 2s 3h] [4d]
Dealt to go4it2 [5c] [Kc]
Dealt to Jhnglyn [6d] [Th]
dardub bets 30
go4it2 calls 30
Jhnglyn calls 30
jrlilly raises to 60
george_jacome raises to 90
Richard_fromNC calls 90
dardub raises to 120
go4it2 calls 90
Jhnglyn folds
jrlilly calls 60
george_jacome calls 30
Richard_fromNC calls 30
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to jrlilly [2h 7h] [4h]
Dealt to george_jacome [Qc Qh] [As]
Dealt to Richard_fromNC [Jd 7d] [7s]
Dealt to dardub [Ac 2s 3h 4d] [4s]
Dealt to go4it2 [5c Kc] [Kh]
jrlilly bets 60
george_jacome calls 60
Richard_fromNC folds
dardub raises to 120
go4it2 calls 120
jrlilly raises to 180
george_jacome raises to 240
dardub calls 120
go4it2 calls 120
jrlilly calls 60
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to jrlilly [2h 7h 4h] [6s]
Dealt to george_jacome [Qc Qh As] [2c]
Dealt to dardub [Ac 2s 3h 4d 4s] [Qs]
Dealt to go4it2 [5c Kc Kh] [Kd]
jrlilly bets 60
george_jacome has 15 seconds left to act
george_jacome raises to 120
dardub calls 120
go4it2 folds
jrlilly raises to 180
george_jacome raises to 240
go4it2 is feeling angry
dardub calls 120
jrlilly calls 60
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to dardub [Ac 2s 3h 4d 4s Qs] [2d]
jrlilly bets 60
george_jacome raises to 120
dardub has 15 seconds left to act
dardub calls 120
jrlilly raises to 180
george_jacome raises to 240
dardub folds
jrlilly calls 60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
george_jacome shows [7c 5d Qc Qh As 2c 3d] (7,5,3,2,A)
jrlilly shows [8h 5h 2h 7h 4h 6s Ah] (6,5,4,2,A)
jrlilly wins the pot (3,730) with 6,5,4,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,730 | Rake 0
Seat 1: jrlilly showed [8h 5h 2h 7h 4h 6s Ah] and won (3,730) with 6,5,4,2,A
Seat 2: george_jacome showed [7c 5d Qc Qh As 2c 3d] and lost with 7,5,3,2,A
Seat 3: todkie folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: lilchuckie folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: Richard_fromNC folded on 5th St.
Seat 6: dardub folded on 7th St.
Seat 7: go4it2 folded on 6th St.
Seat 8: Jhnglyn folded on 4th St. |
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Ottawa_Boy27 Pair
Joined: 21 Jan 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Ottawa
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Dardub, you played it perfect until 5th, where I would have slowed down a little bit and check/called. I'm not a big fan of raisng the monster draw in razz vs a made hand better than a 9. Your opponent had what you could only assume was a made 7 and the other donk caught a 2 on 6th for his chance at a miracle river. A 2 3 4 brick brick brick. Better get used to it. LOL. |
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