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Krogmatic
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: At any point should I have folded this? Reply with quote

PokerStars Game #7563041863: Tournament #38437355, $10+$1 Razz Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2006/12/22 - 22:24:45 (ET)
Table '38437355 2' 8-max
Seat 1: Diamondgrade (9884 in chips)
Seat 2: Krogmatic (11467 in chips)
Seat 3: Addictos (3792 in chips)
Seat 4: NutNoPair (3025 in chips)
Seat 5: sandy1201 (15873 in chips)
Seat 6: kleberAA (5321 in chips)
Seat 8: Hank43 (20428 in chips)
Diamondgrade: posts the ante 80
Krogmatic: posts the ante 80
Addictos: posts the ante 80
NutNoPair: posts the ante 80
sandy1201: posts the ante 80
kleberAA: posts the ante 80
Hank43: posts the ante 80
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to Diamondgrade [Qs]
Dealt to Krogmatic [Ah 2c 3s]
Dealt to Addictos [6d]
Dealt to NutNoPair [Tc]
Dealt to sandy1201 [9s]
Dealt to kleberAA [Kh]
Dealt to Hank43 [4c]
kleberAA: brings-in low 120
Hank43: calls 120
Diamondgrade: folds
Krogmatic: raises 280 to 400
Addictos: calls 400
NutNoPair: folds
sandy1201: folds
kleberAA: folds
Hank43: calls 280
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Krogmatic [Ah 2c 3s] [4h]
Dealt to Addictos [6d] [3d]
Dealt to Hank43 [4c] [2s]
Hank43: checks
Krogmatic: bets 400
Addictos: folds
Hank43: calls 400
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Krogmatic [Ah 2c 3s 4h] [Qc]
Dealt to Hank43 [4c 2s] [9h]
Hank43: bets 800
Krogmatic: raises 800 to 1600
Hank43: calls 800
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Krogmatic [Ah 2c 3s 4h Qc] [Ad]
Dealt to Hank43 [4c 2s 9h] [3c]
Hank43: checks
Krogmatic: bets 800
Hank43: calls 800
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to Krogmatic [Ah 2c 3s 4h Qc Ad] [Kd]
Hank43: checks
Krogmatic: bets 800
Hank43: calls 800
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Krogmatic: shows [Ah 2c 3s 4h Qc Ad Kd] (Lo: Q,4,3,2,A)
Hank43: shows [9d As 4c 2s 9h 3c Ks] (Lo: 9,4,3,2,A)
Hank43 collected 9080 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9080 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Diamondgrade folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Krogmatic showed [Ah 2c 3s 4h Qc Ad Kd] and lost with Lo: Q,4,3,2,A
Seat 3: Addictos folded on the 4th Street
Seat 4: NutNoPair folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sandy1201 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kleberAA folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 8: Hank43 showed [9d As 4c 2s 9h 3c Ks] and won (9080) with Lo: 9,4,3,2,A
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pebbleboy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldnt have bet on the river.
You got the triple brick on the end. It can cause you to go nuts in RAZZ. Mad
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HuJwang
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Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Posts: 6705
Location: Halifax, NS

PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pebbleboy wrote:
I wouldnt have bet on the river.
You got the triple brick on the end. It can cause you to go nuts in RAZZ. Mad


why not? maybe the other guy missed too. for a measly 800 chips into a huge pot of 7400 chips, he only needs the bluff to work 1 time in 9 for it to be a profitable bet, chip-wise. if raised, he can fold easily.
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J_Ricks
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Joined: 11 Sep 2006
Posts: 172
Location: Does my mom's basement apply?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

raising on 5th gave you away that you were willing to bluff the hand but started pretty good. I would have called in 5th, called on 6th then raised on 7th maybe...you were showing a hand that he thought he could beat, but the raising is what killed you.
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asfispimp
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Joined: 22 Jul 2006
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Location: vegas

PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldnt have folded but I would have proceeded with caution until I hit a 7 or maybe 8 low
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pebbleboy
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Posts: 845

PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuJwang wrote:
pebbleboy wrote:
I wouldnt have bet on the river.
You got the triple brick on the end. It can cause you to go nuts in RAZZ. Mad


why not? maybe the other guy missed too. for a measly 800 chips into a huge pot of 7400 chips, he only needs the bluff to work 1 time in 9 for it to be a profitable bet, chip-wise. if raised, he can fold easily.


I would agree with you in a ring game but not in a turny. I would have checked and hope he checked behind me if not I probably would have folded since I knew I was only Q low. But that goes along with the EV in tournys question.

In order for him to be higher he would have to have paired 3 of his cards, opened with a rolled up pair cards or a very bad starting hand. He is not showing anything that would make me belive he would be over 9 low.
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Ottawa_Boy27
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Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Posts: 22
Location: Ottawa

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check/fold on 7th unless you've seen him fold to raises on 7th in the past with a less than premium hand. He obviously had a 9 and could've drawn a better hand on the end. And yes, you were right to call on every street but 7th.
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Ottawa_Boy27
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Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Posts: 22
Location: Ottawa

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check/fold on 7th unless you've seen him fold to raises on 7th in the past with a less than premium hand. He obviously had a 9 and could've drawn a better hand on the end. And yes, you were right to call on every street but 7th.
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dardub
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Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The same thing happened to me my second time playing razz. I kept raising every chance I got. I knew I had the best hand at the time, but apparantly in razz that doesn't mean anything. What should I have done? Maybe I shouldn't have kept raising after 5th street.

Full Tilt Poker Game #1703552364: $100 Freeroll (12480100), Table 230 - 30/60 Ante 5 - Limit Razz - 21:43:58 ET - 2007/01/30
Seat 1: jrlilly (1,480)
Seat 2: george_jacome (1,220)
Seat 3: todkie (1,490)
Seat 4: lilchuckie (1,420)
Seat 5: Richard_fromNC (1,740)
Seat 6: dardub (1,490)
Seat 7: go4it2 (1,670)
Seat 8: Jhnglyn (1,490)
jrlilly antes 5
george_jacome antes 5
todkie antes 5
lilchuckie antes 5
Richard_fromNC antes 5
dardub antes 5
go4it2 antes 5
Jhnglyn antes 5
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to jrlilly [2h]
Dealt to george_jacome [Qc]
Dealt to todkie [Jh]
Dealt to lilchuckie [Js]
Dealt to Richard_fromNC [Jd]
Dealt to dardub [Ac 2s] [3h]
Dealt to go4it2 [5c]
Dealt to Jhnglyn [6d]
george_jacome is high with [Qc]
george_jacome has 15 seconds left to act
george_jacome brings in for 10
todkie folds
lilchuckie calls 10
Richard_fromNC calls 10
dardub completes it to 30
go4it2 raises to 60
Jhnglyn calls 60
jrlilly calls 60
george_jacome calls 50
lilchuckie calls 50
Richard_fromNC calls 50
dardub raises to 90
go4it2 has 15 seconds left to act
go4it2 raises to 120
Jhnglyn calls 60
jrlilly calls 60
george_jacome calls 60
lilchuckie folds
Richard_fromNC calls 60
dardub calls 30
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to jrlilly [2h] [7h]
Dealt to george_jacome [Qc] [Qh]
Dealt to Richard_fromNC [Jd] [7d]
Dealt to dardub [Ac 2s 3h] [4d]
Dealt to go4it2 [5c] [Kc]
Dealt to Jhnglyn [6d] [Th]
dardub bets 30
go4it2 calls 30
Jhnglyn calls 30
jrlilly raises to 60
george_jacome raises to 90
Richard_fromNC calls 90
dardub raises to 120
go4it2 calls 90
Jhnglyn folds
jrlilly calls 60
george_jacome calls 30
Richard_fromNC calls 30
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to jrlilly [2h 7h] [4h]
Dealt to george_jacome [Qc Qh] [As]
Dealt to Richard_fromNC [Jd 7d] [7s]
Dealt to dardub [Ac 2s 3h 4d] [4s]
Dealt to go4it2 [5c Kc] [Kh]
jrlilly bets 60
george_jacome calls 60
Richard_fromNC folds
dardub raises to 120
go4it2 calls 120
jrlilly raises to 180
george_jacome raises to 240
dardub calls 120
go4it2 calls 120
jrlilly calls 60
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to jrlilly [2h 7h 4h] [6s]
Dealt to george_jacome [Qc Qh As] [2c]
Dealt to dardub [Ac 2s 3h 4d 4s] [Qs]
Dealt to go4it2 [5c Kc Kh] [Kd]
jrlilly bets 60
george_jacome has 15 seconds left to act
george_jacome raises to 120
dardub calls 120
go4it2 folds
jrlilly raises to 180
george_jacome raises to 240
go4it2 is feeling angry
dardub calls 120
jrlilly calls 60
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to dardub [Ac 2s 3h 4d 4s Qs] [2d]
jrlilly bets 60
george_jacome raises to 120
dardub has 15 seconds left to act
dardub calls 120
jrlilly raises to 180
george_jacome raises to 240
dardub folds
jrlilly calls 60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
george_jacome shows [7c 5d Qc Qh As 2c 3d] (7,5,3,2,A)
jrlilly shows [8h 5h 2h 7h 4h 6s Ah] (6,5,4,2,A)
jrlilly wins the pot (3,730) with 6,5,4,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,730 | Rake 0
Seat 1: jrlilly showed [8h 5h 2h 7h 4h 6s Ah] and won (3,730) with 6,5,4,2,A
Seat 2: george_jacome showed [7c 5d Qc Qh As 2c 3d] and lost with 7,5,3,2,A
Seat 3: todkie folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: lilchuckie folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: Richard_fromNC folded on 5th St.
Seat 6: dardub folded on 7th St.
Seat 7: go4it2 folded on 6th St.
Seat 8: Jhnglyn folded on 4th St.
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Ottawa_Boy27
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Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Posts: 22
Location: Ottawa

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dardub, you played it perfect until 5th, where I would have slowed down a little bit and check/called. I'm not a big fan of raisng the monster draw in razz vs a made hand better than a 9. Your opponent had what you could only assume was a made 7 and the other donk caught a 2 on 6th for his chance at a miracle river. A 2 3 4 brick brick brick. Better get used to it. LOL.
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