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ridic x
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 Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:07 am Post subject: Why do you call when the pot is laying huge odds? This is why. |
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Full Tilt Poker Game #1412462913: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (10038737), Table 1 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:04:52 ET - 2006/12/15
Seat 1: nutsolucky (1,303)
Seat 2: myasko49 (3,868)
Seat 3: YeeDiddy25 (4,305)
Seat 4: lanie b (2,189)
Seat 5: ridic x (2,460)
Seat 6: sitkadan (1,280)
Seat 7: ChasW (1,360)
Seat 9: SNAKE0500 (2,525)
lanie b posts the small blind of 25
ridic x posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ridic x [5c Kh]
sitkadan raises to 100
ChasW folds
SNAKE0500 raises to 150
nutsolucky folds
myasko49 calls 150
YeeDiddy25 folds
lanie b calls 125
ridic x calls 100
sitkadan raises to 200
SNAKE0500 calls 50
myasko49 calls 50
lanie b calls 50
ridic x calls 50
*** FLOP *** [Th 5s 5d]
lanie b checks
ridic x checks
sitkadan bets 600
SNAKE0500 folds
myasko49 folds
lanie b folds
ridic x raises to 1,200
sitkadan calls 480, and is all in
ridic x shows [5c Kh]
sitkadan shows [Js Qh]
Uncalled bet of 120 returned to ridic x
*** TURN *** [Th 5s 5d] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Th 5s 5d 7d] [3c]
ridic x shows three of a kind, Fives
sitkadan shows a pair of Fives
ridic x wins the pot (3,160) with three of a kind, Fives
sitkadan stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,160 | Rake 0
Board: [Th 5s 5d 7d 3c]
Seat 1: nutsolucky didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: myasko49 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: YeeDiddy25 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: lanie b (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: ridic x (big blind) showed [5c Kh] and won (3,160) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 6: sitkadan showed [Js Qh] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 7: ChasW didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: SNAKE0500 folded on the Flop |
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J_Ricks
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| learned something new from reading this post, thanks |
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cardfish2
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| Playing against an idiot who can't fold Q high makes that a good play I guess, but I'm usually folding there. You can make the pot odds argument to call too many pots for my taste. |
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ridic x
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Playing against an idiot who can't fold Q high makes that a good play I guess, but I'm usually folding there. You can make the pot odds argument to call too many pots for my taste. |
At this point in a tourament you are trying to amass chips. When it gets back around to me it's 50 more for me to see a flop in an 875 pot. I'm getting 17.5:1 to see a flop. I def win this pot at the least one time out of 17.5 and that's just breaking even. I most likely win this hand more than 1 time out of 17.5 making it a +EV play and a great chance to amass a ton of chips if I hit a hand like the trips and someone with an overpair or TP stacks off to me. So not only is there excellent pot odds to play there are endless implied odds. |
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cardfish2
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ridic x wrote: |
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| Playing against an idiot who can't fold Q high makes that a good play I guess, but I'm usually folding there. You can make the pot odds argument to call too many pots for my taste. |
At this point in a tourament you are trying to amass chips. When it gets back around to me it's 50 more for me to see a flop in an 875 pot. I'm getting 17.5:1 to see a flop. I def win this pot at the least one time out of 17.5 and that's just breaking even. I most likely win this hand more than 1 time out of 17.5 making it a +EV play and a great chance to amass a ton of chips if I hit a hand like the trips and someone with an overpair or TP stacks off to me. So not only is there excellent pot odds to play there are endless implied odds. |
You definitely had to call the last 50, but calling the original 100 is -EV in my opinion. And it's even more troublesome when you had a min bettor and a min raiser in front of you so you are open to another round of raises. |
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01baz
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| the original raise was givin u little over 5-1 odds, i wouldnt call these great odds and do u honestly think that u wld win this 1 in 5 times? i understand y u called but i personally wouldnt have.. id like to ask 1 more question. would u have still called that if u werent in the blind? |
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DJ Ninjah
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| I think this is kinda results oriented (buzz term of the week). You were up against a bunch of minraises with a hand that needed a mircale, and you got one. |
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fire_eyes_2k
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think you should have called the first t100, but the final t50 I agree you were priced in. And yeah, um you got lucky to hit, and then just as lucky when some doofus decides to shove at you |
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ridic x
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| 01baz wrote: |
| the original raise was givin u little over 5-1 odds, i wouldnt call these great odds and do u honestly think that u wld win this 1 in 5 times? i understand y u called but i personally wouldnt have.. id like to ask 1 more question. would u have still called that if u werent in the blind? |
not in the blind, maybe if i was on the button but unlikely. The blind did play a major part in this having some of my money already committed. |
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ridic x
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| fire_eyes_2k wrote: |
| I don't think you should have called the first t100, but the final t50 I agree you were priced in. And yeah, um you got lucky to hit, and then just as lucky when some doofus decides to shove at you |
there is also a thing called implied odds which works it's way into these types of situations. B/c of all the people in the hand my implied odds shot through the roof if I hit a hand (not TP, that's not a real hand in this kind of pot) I'm almost assuradly getting paid off and in a big way. |
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cardfish2
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You also have to worry about reverse implied odds. If someone had KK (not unreasonable considering the bets), you go broke here.
You should post this at TB ridic and see what they say there. |
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ridic x
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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You also have to worry about reverse implied odds. If someone had KK (not unreasonable considering the bets), you go broke here.
You should post this at TB ridic and see what they say there. |
I hope you meant if someone had TT I go broke or A5. |
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01baz
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i think he meant if the flop came king high with the 5
lol maybe not 
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cardfish2
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| ridic x wrote: |
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You also have to worry about reverse implied odds. If someone had KK (not unreasonable considering the bets), you go broke here.
You should post this at TB ridic and see what they say there. |
I hope you meant if someone had TT I go broke or A5. |
Yeah. Meant 10 10. |
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