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drcossack · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: Your play on this hand?

Full Tilt Poker Game #1375534284: Table Frank (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Omaha - 20:07:07 ET - 2006/12/08
Seat 1: skinbeef ($9.35)
Seat 3: theclinic21 ($3.45)
Seat 5: drcossack ($7.90)
drcossack posts the small blind of $0.05
skinbeef posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to drcossack [7d 7s 9s Ts]
theclinic21 calls $0.10
drcossack calls $0.05
skinbeef checks
*** FLOP *** [Ad Jh 7h]
drcossack bets $0.30
skinbeef raises to $0.60
theclinic21 folds
drcossack raises to $2.10
skinbeef calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Ad Jh 7h] [6s]
drcossack bets $4.50
skinbeef raises to $7.15, and is all in
drcossack calls $1.20, and is all in
skinbeef shows [Qs Jc 5d As]
drcossack shows [7d 7s 9s Ts]
Uncalled bet of $1.45 returned to skinbeef
*** RIVER *** [Ad Jh 7h 6s] [Jd]
skinbeef shows a full house, Jacks full of Aces
drcossack shows a full house, Sevens full of Jacks
skinbeef wins the pot ($15.40) with a full house, Jacks full of Aces
drcossack is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.90 | Rake $0.50
Board: [Ad Jh 7h 6s Jd]
Seat 1: skinbeef (big blind) showed [Qs Jc 5d As] and won ($15.40) with a full house, Jacks full of Aces
Seat 3: theclinic21 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: drcossack (small blind) showed [7d 7s 9s Ts] and lost with a full house, Sevens full of Jacks

merlopj · High Card Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 8

I'm very new at Omaha and I think you bet that flop hard like you did. You think you're up against 2 pair or a flush draw and want to win the pot right now. You got your money in good and he hits a 4 outer, right?

I think most people say low sets should be avoided or played w/ caution, but I wouldn't have laid it down there.

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:03 am Post subject:

Doc was just unlucky (for a change). In the low limits, play bottom set like the nuts on the flop, you get paid so often by hands like this that it will far offset the times someone has a bigger set. This is why we have BRs....

drcossack · Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 11:19 am Post subject:

Josh Fialkowski · Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 11:40 am Post subject:

Well after his min raise i woulda bet the pot like u did. I think you played it well. The only thing u should be scared of is trip Jacks and i think u can rule that out without a pre-flop raise and a weak raise on the flop. the 6 didnt do anything so i woulda pushed like u did. You played it well, just unlucky.

clussman · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject:

You can't rule anything out. What if the other guy had JJ62 rainbow? I'm not going to raise that pre-flop.

You should be careful when you're not playing top set, but this is short-handed and people are going to be aggressive with two pair. It's also low limit so people are going to be donks with two pair, one pair, and even gutshot draws (which is just un-****-believable).

Doc, you did the right thing betting the pot on the flop, re-raise, and turn. You almost certainly had the best hand and you wanted to end it there before he sucked out on you. Skinbeef should have folded to the re-raise on the flop or at least folded to the bet on the turn. The only thing I can think of is that maybe he's played you before. Wink

Josh Fialkowski · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject:

u can rule out AA cause im raising everytime i get that preflop in 3 handed. Your right about the raise preflop with JJ26 rainbow but to bet minimum after that is just dumb with middle set. Im betting a tad bigger then that to see where I am and to get rid of some draws ex K-Q-10-9. It would be hard to put him on the only 2 hands that have u beat with a min bet and a check.

Jobe Gilchrist · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject:

3-handed Omaha cash game, my play is to run screaming in fear. Seriously, that game gets so crazy the shorter the table gets. When you're accustomed, as any Omaha player is, to playing very strong hands, how do you know the right amount to scale back for 3-handed? I get queasy just thinking about it.

The variance with that setup is so far through the roof that I barely know what to say. While I think you made the right read and the right play, there are also so many different hands that would keep even a non-donk opponent chasing, and so many cards to come that could destroy you (of course, there are also cards that would seal his fate as well).

What I'm saying is sort of like when Jazz (smartly) emphasizes bankroll management, even when somebody is really looking for specific poker tips. I think the wackiness of that game would overshadow the right or wrong play so often as to seriously devalue it. But for whatever it's worth, I think you did play it right.

drcossack · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject:

dodge these · Straight Flush Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 474

I've just been transiting more into omaha over the last month and have a couple of questions. Wdl yu seriously fold top set on a AJs7s flop? I mean he culd have KQTx with the flush draw but is it really a good ideal to fold the current nuts? Coming from hold'em I can't see that you have the current nuts and redraws to a boat shoudl he hit.

Second how big a favorite is AAxx suited against some of the other stronger hands. Cause I still tend to push them preflop like in holdem especiall is double suited and if I get all in I win maybe a quarter of the time or less, though the sample of hands is not that big yet, only a few dozen situations like this have come up, and I have lost 2/3 of my pf ai in nlhe for an entire month with AA once!

I also heard that this game is much more high variance so i am wondering what kind of br swings are normal and how many buyins one shoudl have to play comfiortably in plo. It is quite common to see $100+ games going at the 1/2PL level each day whereas that is rare in 1/2 NL, and only become a daily occurence at the 2/4 level.

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