| Author |
Message |
gibbygib
Four of a Kind
Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Posts: 278
|
 Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
Grip what exactly is it that makes KK vs K2 any worse than, say, tens vs. the doyle hand, 10 2?
I don't understand. The K can't make a straight as easy as a ten can for a split? Is that it? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
thesilkworm
High Card
Joined: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 15
|
| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:37 am Post subject: Re: |
|
|
| gibbygib wrote: |
Grip what exactly is it that makes KK vs K2 any worse than, say, tens vs. the doyle hand, 10 2?
I don't understand. The K can't make a straight as easy as a ten can for a split? Is that it? |
I'll answer that.
KK v K2
Board: A-A-Q-Q-4
KK wins.
TT v T2
Board: A-A-Q-Q-4
Split pot.
The thing you mention about the straight I imagine also has something to do with it.
Incidentally I have taken a beat worse than any of the ones mentioned.
According to the Cardplayer Poker Odds Calculator I was 99.9% to win this hand on the flop and I suspect that they have rounded that down!
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
searfoss
Two Pair
Joined: 19 Oct 2005
Posts: 64
|
| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
That one out or fewer definition is a bunch of crap. First off, you'd do well to be more concise and just say that catching with one out is a bad beat because if you have less than one out you'd have zero and it would be impossible for you to beat them!
A bad beat is when you get all, or substantially all, of either your chips or their chips into a pot as the favorite, but still lose. The only issue is the degree to which you must be a favorite. A dog with one out would be in the neighborhood of 45 to 1. I'd posit that for a dog to win and give a bad beat they'd only need to be a 3 to 1 dog or worse, which is substantially more outs. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
gibbygib
Four of a Kind
Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Posts: 278
|
| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Those running sixes were 1 in 981 to occur i believe. I've taken similar beat, but not as bad 3 times, where it was a 0.3% for the opponent to catch the right runners. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AlexScottUK
Straight Flush
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 416
Location: Isle of Man
|
| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I came up with the 'one out or fewer' definition of a bad beat because I got sick of hearing people complain about how their hand was outdrawn when they were a 60% favourite. Even hands which are 80% favourites or more get outdrawn every minute of every day somewhere in the world - its really not rare.
In my opinion, no outdraw classifies as a bad beat unless it is a truly rare occurrence.
Two things would qualify as less than one out in my opinion - when a person has two outs with two cards remaining and must hit them both to win (as in runner runner quads or straight flush in Hold'em), or when the other player is drawing dead, but is awarded the pot due to some technicality (like the dealer accidentally mucking your cards). |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
