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mathman1115
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject: playing after the river and slow playing Reply with quote

I've just gotten into 7 stud and find it to be a very fun game. Here is a couple of questions.
In general, should you bet a 7 stud hand after the river if you intend to call a river bet by someone else anyway, then fold if you get raised? Or should you play cautious if your opponent has 4 flush or 4 connectors or pair (s) showing?
I know this is too general, but it seems like betting is a smarter play to me.
Of course, i am talking about the situation where you may have a high pair or two pair.
Also, unless you are rolled up, is there ever a good time to slowplay? My feeling is if you hit a str8 or better after 5 cards by not betting you may lose bets and give free cards. But say you have quads after 5 cards or a full house. Anyone with good str8 or flush draws will call you even though they don't know they are drawing dead, and if you slowplay the pot stays small and they won't call river bets if they miss. In fact, if you are rolled up, is it wise to slowplay??
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flafishy
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a fan of slowplaying, especially in stud. It's profitable in certain situations against certain opponents. But as a general rule, I don't do it.

Far as betting the river, I'll bet it if I'm 50% or more certain I have the best hand. If I'm certain I don't have the best hand, I'll check and fold, of course. Anything in between, I'll check and call.
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KGBlovesOreos
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you only have something that is mediocre such as two pair or trips, i would recommend checking the river unless you are absolutely positive that you have the best hand...

bet if you have a strong flush or a straight, and if you get raised, you need to replay the hand in your head before you put anymore bets in there...
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Scotsman
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

KGBlovesOreos wrote:
if you only have something that is mediocre such as two pair or trips, i would recommend checking the river unless you are absolutely positive that you have the best hand...

bet if you have a strong flush or a straight, and if you get raised, you need to replay the hand in your head before you put anymore bets in there...


That's very weak-tight. And you can't just say "bet if you have this, check if you have this". There are so many factor you have to take into account for each situation. Sometimes its correct to bet with a pair, sometimes its correct to bet with ace high.
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Zophar
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always base 7th street play on the individual play of the specific hand and the opponent, taking the previous hands into consideration. If you're up against calling stations who never fold until the river, you might want to bet it, regardless of its strength(maybe Q's or better). They might call w/ a weak pair. If they reraise you, there is a good chance they hit on 7th. Read what cards are up and as kgbloves said, assess the events that got you there. If you're up against a stronger player, maybe check the 7th. Alot of times they will only call or bet that far with a solid hand. If you call and lose, you've only lost one more bet not two.

As far as slow playing goes, I wouldn't slow play anything lower than rolled 8' or 9's. Most players won't put you on them when they're lower, so they probably won't respect the bets unless you hit 3 to a flush on 5th. Get your money in there and make it expensive for them to draw out.

These are some of my general opinions, some might agree and disagree. I've found them to be generally helpful rules. Very Happy
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One_Jackal
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: river Reply with quote

if my hand was good enough to call to the river. I am going to call on 7th street, even with A high under the right circumstances.
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GripHoldOn
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some interesting situations can arise on 7th street in Stud.

For instance, it seems that it is never correct to bet a hand on the end that is completely in the open. For instance:
YOU: (4 2) K K 7 T (3)
HIM: (X X) A Q J 7 (X)

If you bet here, he knows (obviously) that you have at least kings. This means that he won't possibly call your bet here if he can't beat your kings. So this bet can't win you any extra money. This means, that he should know that if you DO bet, you have better than just your two kings. So, let's say that he has one ace underneath. If he can know for sure that you have better than KK, you must also beat his pair of aces, and therefore, he should fold the aces to a single bet on the river. So this, in turn, gives you a reason to bet your open aces on the end. This though, also gives him a reason to call with his cold aces on the end. And so the paradox continues....
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AlexScottUK
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Scotsman wrote:
KGBlovesOreos wrote:
if you only have something that is mediocre such as two pair or trips, i would recommend checking the river unless you are absolutely positive that you have the best hand...

That's very weak-tight...


Agreed. You'll be surprised how often you can value bet aces up or even lesser hands on the river. You're missing out on potential profit if you usually check two pair and trips.

To bet the river in stud, you should think that you'll have the best hand most of the time you are called. That last bit is very important. For example, you shouldn't bet [K-Q-3]-A-A-A-A (where the four aces are showing) into a board of 4-5-6-7 of spades, but you might bet [A-J-2]-A-J-6-5 into K-Q-4-3.

Betting the river is about either getting a better hand to fold or getting a worse hand to call. Theres very little middle ground.
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