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Paprika · Full House Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 194

Played live 3-6 LHE last night for about a 3-4 hr session. The most card dead that I have ever been so far. Got exactly 2 playable hands that weren't in one of the blinds. Almost all the $ I lost was in the blinds. Very Loose Passive table with around 6-7 to every flop. Great opp to score but got nothing to play. How do some of you deal with this situation as far as boredom goes? Music? Food? I work on putting people on hands but aside from that this is not fun at all obviously to sit there and fold for nearly 4 hours str8. I really tried to play more hands but they just didn't come. I'd like to hear from some of you about how long you have gone playing live without seeing playable hands like this. Here are the 2 hands that I played:
1. KK utg, I raised, got 6 callers(you'd think this would raise a flag to the others since I had folded for 2 hrs str8!) Flop came a middle str8 flush draw, easy fold for me here.

2. A6s on the button, missed the flop.

Not trying to whine but that was it for the night. Any suggestions are welcomed.

PS. I am finding like some of you have said before, that 3-6 plays a lot like 2-4 except the pots are a bit bigger. Same bad players though

craigo6x · Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject:

3-6 and 4-8 are no fold em tables. Fold for as long as it takes. If you lose the blinds only, you won. Better than chasing with garbage and losing big.

ridic x · Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject:

Honestly with each flop being 5-7 players I'd go as far as to say you are too tight, especially only playing 2 hands not being in the blinds. Look into loosening up your game a bit. Hell read the loose PF selection of SSH and write it on an index card or something.

SFBuc · Royal Flush Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 615

I got a question...you said you were folding for 2 hrs and you couldn't catch any cards. Out of those bad cards how many of them would've been winners if you stayed in? Like ridic x said with 5-7 players in most of the time I would call every once in awhile to see what comes on the flop. Where I play also there are about this many players to a flop also and I just play a lot more different types of hands than what I normally would. Most of the time I come back home with a nice little profit. Where you play may be different though, but maybe try some different types of hands if they come around.

Craig said the right thing too...3/6 and 4/8 are no fold em tables. They will play to the end.

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 4597

Playing tight at an incredibly loose table like that will kill you. First of all, nobody cares about your table image, so folding for 2 hours then coming in for a raise means nothing. 3-6 and even 4-8 are approachable games for the "recreational" player who's seen NLHE tournaments on ESPN and figures they'll try it out.

Your best bet is to play probably any connector, suited 1-gapped cards, suited Aces, etc. and look for big flops. All you have to do is hit one hand and you've made up for all those flops you took and missed.

The problem with live approachable games like these is, nobody comes to the casino to fold cards. Some people have to make a real effort to get there, and if it means playing 27o for 3-bets pre-flop, they're going to do it, because folding is boring.

ridic x · Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject:

Look at this thread

http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/viewtopic.php?t=20730

Paprika · Full House Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 194

It may not sound like it, but I have opened up my starting hand requirements a lot. Here is kind of a rundown of hands that I will play in LLHE: Any pair, Any suited connectors, suited 1 gappers, any suited Ace, suited King and I was dying to try out Ridic's thing and play any 2 suited cards that can make a str8 but I never got anything at all in this particular session. There are several other hands that I will play like 2 bigger cards but usually with the bit weaker holdings, I try to do it in a later position and I try not to cold call too many raises with more marg. hands. I would have played any connectors and many suited higher cards last night but never happened either. I think it was just one of those times where I was a card corpse. I think that this is not the norm for me because I can never recall folding so many hands in a sesion. But that said, the opposite will happen to me I'm sure.(hopefully sooner than later).

As far as hands that I folded that would have won the pot had I stayed in, I think there was 1 med. pot that I would have won.

Ridic, there was one guy who came in raising and ended up winning a huge pot with his 69 suited when he made a str8. A Very well-concealed hand so I think that there is a lot of merit to your idea there.

SFBuc · Royal Flush Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 615

Yea that happens. Where I play the players will play anything. I had AA busted by Q3o. Couldn't put him on a hand when the flop came 7Q3. I lost a pretty good pot on that one. I just thought he had top pair with a good kicker. That pot was raised a few times also before it got to him and he wasn't in a blind. Like I said 3/6 and 4/8 are no fold em tables. Pretty much any 2 cards at those tables are good it seems.

AllInDrawinDead · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:48 am Post subject:

AA and KK just don't hold up often enough in these games. yes you play them and yes you play them aggressive but you can play a lot of other hands. the great thing in a loose/passive game is that you can play J10, QJ or any other connector or small pair from any position and almost always see a cheap flop with them. if you hit big you get paid off simple as that. just don't get mad when someone rivers a set of 3s after you three bet the turn with two pairs.

ridic x · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:51 am Post subject:

I'm joinin ya here in a moment AI if a spot opens.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:20 am Post subject:

This is why they call it a grind, it is not fun after you figure out what you are doing. Unfortunately, you will not always win in a situation like you described, the wins are bigger and the losses more frequent causing a larger standard deviation of your BB/hr. Take a look at what you can expect in 1000 hours of live poker (graph in middle of page):

http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/viewtopic.php?t=2875

You will need a tough psyche to go through losing weeks (or months gasp) while you put in time. Don't miss work to chase losses is about all I can tell you. Sounds like you are the weekend warrior type and I'd keep it to that, all the fish will be at the club the same time you are so don't go getting addicted to live play and leave your life behind--you will have plenty of time to find a chair in your free time.

Paprika · Full House Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 194

I play live 3-6 LHE(moved up from 2-4) about 1-2 times a week, averaging about 3-4 hours of live play per week. This is a very small # of hands compared to a lot of you online multi tablers I'm sure. My work is freelanceing, so I can really play at a lot of diff. times, not just the weekend thing. I'm more worried about being addicted to poker books than poker itself. Very Happy

Sounds as if the swings are so up and down for LHE. Obviously there is great profit potentail or a lot of you would not be playing it. I feel the same about LHE: There are such bad players at any given LLHE table that there is always a good potential for making $. I jsut have to play many many more hours and see how it goes. I'll let y'all know

drtre1987 · Forum Farmacist Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2193

Small Stakes Holdem: Winning Big with Expert play by sklansky is good for those extremely loose tables

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