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BigJohn78 · High Card Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 2

$1/2 PL Omaha H/L

In both situations the game is five handed:

Hand #1:

AAK3, AK suited in hearts. I'm on the button and everyone limps in front of me and I bet pot and get three callers. The flop comes 578 rainbow and it checks around to me and I bet half the pot, $20, and get called in two places.

Pot size is now $100.

The turn is a 10 putting a club draw on board. It checks around to me again so I stay aggressive and bet half-pot again and get called in both places, pot size now around to $250.

I figure player number two for having flopped the straight as he is somewhat inexperienced in the game and is too happy to call to be just drawing at something. The other player I'm figuring for a low, but I don't think it's the nuts so now I'm worried about a quarter. The turn bet puts player two all-in so now any river betting is just between seat one and myself. The river is a brick and he checks and so do I. Immediately I realize that I've probably made a mistake.

Should I have pushed the rest of my chips in on the river?

Turns out he had A3 low as well and my Aces had him beat on a high. If I had pushed on the river I would have taken 3/4 of the side pot, which would have been sizable as he had a decent stack left in front of him, as well as my quarter of the main pot. I'm pretty sure I should have pushed in on the river but I'm curious to hear others' thoughts on this.

Hand #2:

Last hand of the night, I have 589J double suited in red cards. We all take the flop with a preflop raise to $10 and the flop comes down 10 9 3 rainbow. It checks around to me and I bet half pot and get called by three, so now the pot is $125.

The turn is a 5 and puts a club flush draw on the board. It checks around to me again and I bet $50 with the open end straight draw and two pair. I get called in two places this time and the pot is at $275.

At this point I'm really not sure where I'm at. It's possible someone has now picked up a low draw and a club draw. I'm feeling like one of them must have hit trips on the flop to stay with the betting to this point. The river card is the Queen of spades. Seat one pushes all-in for $200.

Dammit. Seat two goes in the tank forever. The whole time he's thinking I'm trying to analyze the hand. I've made my queen high straight but it's only the second nuts. Seat one can be a very crazy player and makes ridiculous draws sometimes. Because a flush draw came out on the turn I can't write him off having KJ in his hands for the nut straight but I'm feeling like he's being aggressive. But with the guy in seat two going in the tank in such obvious distress I figure he's made the same hand I have, the queen high straight. There's just nothing else to be this distraught over. So if he calls I feel like I have no reason to call because at best we're splitting it three ways and getting our money back, at worst I'm putting in two hundred more to try and get $80 back and losing $280 to King-Jack. The EV just seems very, very negative to me in this situation. If he folds, it's pretty much the same, but I feel more inclined to call than if we're three ways.

Finally, after about six minutes, seat two pushes his $200 into the middle and I muck. Seat one turns over a Queen high straight and seat two turns over a bottom end straight. He was tired and thought there was a low also which is why he pushed in, so the whole pot ships to seat one.

That one hurt my feelings a little bit.

Any and all comments/analysis are appreciated.

fulltiltblog · High Card Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 5

Actually I play a LOT of omaha hi lo PL and I think you pushed REALLY hard for AA3 with that flop...I might have taken a free card. I think you got kinda lucky....good one though.

angelbullock · Three of a Kind Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 82

Most of the time , if a big bet goes in on the river, it is the nuts or a pure bluff. Folding the second nut is not that bad of a play. U will keep more of your money long term. Going in the tank and calling the bottom straight is just bad, save it when u have a hand that will be paid off. The guy in the middle has to realize, his hand is just not good.

REDMARION · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:36 am Post subject:

You must have found the fish tank to get any money on hand one. I don't know why they do, but anyone chasing the (2nd) low with no high, is just plain "bad." ESPECIALLY in PLO8.

Well, you learned a lesson in hand #2, but the above advice is pretty good.
You could pick off a bad bet now & then with second nut (one-way) hands, but long term it's better to fold to an outdraw on the big bet-river.

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