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dannyboya
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: Completing the bet with a low hand. Reply with quote

I usually complete with an Ace up for my low hand and also when I am the first one in the pot, but in the loose low limits that I play should I complete after multiple limpers? Should I be completing the bet with all my playable low hands?
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Paprika
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In split pot games, I tend to look at it as whether I want to push or pull people into the pot. Like when you have 3 suited babes on 3rd street, I tend to pull rather than push people out of the pot. You want more people in with that kind of a hand if you hit your flush as well as the low. I guess it kind of depends on the players a lot though as to whether you want to complete a lot. Also can depend on where you are in realation to the bring in if you want to complete as well(position).
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TreasuredCards
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

with an ace and 2 cards or lower id complete too...i dont kno if that was the answer u wanted to hear but its all i got
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Mastr Charles
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: the object is to scoop Reply with quote

Remember, the object of stud h/l is to scoop. You definitely should not be capping with any 3 to a low, even with an ace showing. Now, 3 suited low, that can make a straight, and that include an ace, which is showing, you might want to cap. Even then, I might not. Now, if you have a made low, and no one else does, then you might want to cap with a low, but that is a completely different situation.
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goodtime
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: the object is to scoop Reply with quote

Mastr Charles wrote:
Remember, the object of stud h/l is to scoop. You definitely should not be capping with any 3 to a low, even with an ace showing. Now, 3 suited low, that can make a straight, and that include an ace, which is showing, you might want to cap. Even then, I might not. Now, if you have a made low, and no one else does, then you might want to cap with a low, but that is a completely different situation.


*applauds* wow we actually have a newbie on the forum who can give some advice, and it's not all jumbled up with horrible grammar! Good job Charles, we all hope to see more of your writing in the future. and no, im not being sarcastic.
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FsuBostonMike
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if my lows connect or ive got 2 suited ill complete, but i dont complete with A and any two lows. Play to scoop, if you play the hand to split even if you make your low your not winning much more then you had to start with.
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Zophar
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's a suited ace w/the 3 low and the suit is live, I'd include that to your list of completions. I personally complete or raise most of the hands I enter for several reasons. Primarily to isolate, but also to make my starting hands less obvious. If I only raised "premiums" it would become a little telegraphed(I'll also occasionaly limp premiums). If I find that the isolation raise isn't right for the table, then I drop it and simply call the bring in a little more often. The key is to try to figure out the table as soon as possible to determine your most profitable approach.
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nimbus
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:49 am    Post subject: Re: Completing the bet with a low hand. Reply with quote

dannyboya wrote:
I usually complete with an Ace up for my low hand and also when I am the first one in the pot,


This really depends on the game you are in and the players in that game. In the higher limits this is okay since often you'll be heads up or might even just win it right there. You want to sell the idea that you have Aces. So on 4th when your opponent bricks and you brick, you can do a continuation bet and win the bot.

In the lower limits, the pots tend to be multi-way and you need to be showing down hands. So my raising frequency is going to be dependent on the upcards of your opponents, how many Aces are live, who looks like they are drawing to a better low, etc.

dannyboya wrote:
should I complete after multiple limpers?


Again, depends on the other upcards and the low you are drawing too.

dannyboya wrote:
Should I be completing the bet with all my playable low hands?
No, you'll just be gambling at that point.
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david71884
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Joined: 30 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the low is 3 to a wheel straight flush, with my cards live, It may be better to just call on 3rd st. We're not getting anybody to fold here on 3rd and if they catch decent low cards on 4th, they will hang around anyway. This also serves to lower your variance. At low limits people will draw to trash low hands with no chance to scoop anyway, so we want them to get a low draw on 4th st. This also can give us a higher chance to scoop since we can put in a raise on 4th when they will call anyway. Completing on 3rd seems to give an incentive to play correctly against you and they may fold on 4th if they brick out. Its much harder to fold with 4 to a low, so I think we want to catch them for bets instead of them folding.
It would really suck to complete on 3rd and have another player raise on 3rd and get them to fold for the double bet early. I think it also will disguise our hand, and they may put us on a marginal hand.
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