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Eddie Hazel
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Joined: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:51 pm    Post subject: Someone explain this to me... Reply with quote

Dealer: Hand #1248166742
Dealer: cofisher antes 10
Dealer: Derom13 antes 10
Dealer: IMFishin2 antes 10
Dealer: LOVE77777777777 antes 10
Dealer: pokergirl24 antes 10
Dealer: billyboy8973 antes 10
Dealer: Eddie Hazel antes 10
Dealer: iamhoff antes 10
Dealer: Dealt to cofisher [As]
Dealer: Dealt to Derom13 [Ac]
Dealer: Dealt to IMFishin2 [5s]
Dealer: Dealt to LOVE77777777777 [8h]
Dealer: Dealt to pokergirl24 [4s]
Dealer: Dealt to billyboy8973 [Qc]
Dealer: Dealt to Eddie Hazel [Ad 7d 2c]
Dealer: Dealt to iamhoff [Jd]
Dealer: billyboy8973 brings in for 15
Dealer: Eddie Hazel calls 15
Dealer: iamhoff folds
Dealer: cofisher calls 15
Dealer: Derom13 completes it to 50
Dealer: IMFishin2 folds
Dealer: LOVE77777777777 folds
Dealer: pokergirl24 folds
Dealer: billyboy8973 folds
Dealer: Eddie Hazel calls 35
Dealer: cofisher calls 35
Dealer: Dealt to cofisher [Td]
Dealer: Dealt to Derom13 [6s]
Dealer: Dealt to Eddie Hazel [5c]
Dealer: Eddie Hazel bets 50
Dealer: cofisher calls 50
Dealer: Derom13 calls 50
Dealer: Dealt to cofisher [Ah]
Dealer: Dealt to Derom13 [4d]
Dealer: Dealt to Eddie Hazel [6d]
Dealer: Derom13 bets 100
Dealer: Eddie Hazel calls 100
Dealer: cofisher calls 100
Dealer: Dealt to cofisher [Kd]
Dealer: Dealt to Derom13 [Ks]
Dealer: Dealt to Eddie Hazel [9d]
Dealer: Eddie Hazel bets 100
Dealer: cofisher calls 100
Dealer: Derom13 calls 100
Dealer: Dealt to Eddie Hazel [6h]
Dealer: Eddie Hazel bets 100
Dealer: cofisher calls 100
Dealer: Derom13 raises to 200
Dealer: Eddie Hazel calls 100
Dealer: cofisher calls 100
Dealer: Derom13 shows 7,6,4,3,A
Dealer: Eddie Hazel shows 7,6,5,2,A
Dealer: cofisher mucks
Dealer: Derom13 wins the pot (1,595) with 7,6,4,3,A


I'm not understanding how I lost - I had the 2 & he did not...
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ScottyWhen333
High Card


Joined: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In razz, the winning hand is determined by your 5 lowest cards in descending order. You have both made a 7-low, but if you go on down the line, your second card is the same and his third is lower. Therefore, his low is better and he takes the pot. His 4 beat your 5 in this case.
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sloshedzeus
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Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 1297
Location: The birthplace of NASCAR

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7,6,4 beats 7,6,5. Start from the highest card.
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Eddie Hazel
High Card


Joined: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it kind of not make sense to the principle of the game?

Lowest hand wins?

If he had 34567 and I had 24567, I would win, correct?

So, why would high beat low?
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Big Slick x13x
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Joined: 18 Jun 2006
Posts: 4626
Location: ROK

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie Hazel wrote:
Does it kind of not make sense to the principle of the game?

Lowest hand wins?

If he had 34567 and I had 24567, I would win, correct?

So, why would high beat low?


76542 is lower then 76543, so yes.

You are starting at the wrong end of the hand. Start with the highest card.

In your case you both have 7's so it goes to the next card. You both have 6's so the next. He has 4 you have 5. 4 < 5. So he wins. 43A is lower then 52A.
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IABoomer
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Joined: 29 Oct 2006
Posts: 4599

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Treat it like a math problem read each hand as a 5 digit number with ace=1:

You hold 7, 6, 5, 2, 1
He holds 7, 6, 4, 3, 2

76521 > 76431

Therefore you have a bigger or higher hand. And since razz is low, then 76431 wins.

Should 8, 4, 3, 2, A beat 7, 6, 5, 4, 3? After all, he has the smallest card. But he also holds 8 high. You hold 7 high.

I think we should coin the term "holder" for a kicker in Razz/lowball games. The kicker handles the high end. The holder holds the ball on the ground for the kicker. Smile
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Eddie Hazel
High Card


Joined: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dealer: GeoWarpigs shows 7,6,5,4,A
Dealer: Eddie Hazel shows 7,4,3,2,A
Dealer: Eddie Hazel wins the pot (4,610) with 7,4,3,2,A
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Casper113
Two Pair


Joined: 29 Oct 2006
Posts: 62

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which hand would lose in a game of stud high? The answer to that is the same as the answer to "which hand wins in a game of razz?", ignoring straights and flushes.

Just trying to come up with a different way of explaining what's already been posted.
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Eddie Hazel
High Card


Joined: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dealer: sammyace shows 6,5,3,2,A
Dealer: Eddie Hazel shows 6,5,4,3,A
Dealer: sammyace wins the pot (6,800) with 6,5,3,2,A

How did I not win?
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IABoomer
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Joined: 29 Oct 2006
Posts: 4599

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sammy holds 65321
You have 65431

Your 65431 > his 65321

You each have 6 high as the 5th largest card.
You each have 5 high as the 4th largest card.
You have a 4 high as the 3rd largest card. He has 3 high. 3 is smaller than 4, therefore he has a lower hand.

Find your hand from the top down just like you would any other poker hand. Don't start from the bottom up.
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