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WickedCity · High Card Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7

This hand history is from last night. This was a pretty loose table. (notes and question below)

FullTiltPoker Game #1244067579: Table Hampton - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 1:28:31 ET - 2006/11/14
Seat 1: 340wby ($21.15)
Seat 2: stable77 ($12.75)
Seat 3: tito32184 ($4.45)
Seat 4: Go Fish U ($24.60)
Seat 5: WickedCity ($26.40)
Seat 6: atxangel ($4.50)
Seat 7: ringben ($17)
Seat 8: silvertree ($25)
Seat 9: Kappeli ($10.95)
atxangel posts the small blind of $0.10
ringben posts the big blind of $0.25
tito32184 posts $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WickedCity [Ks Kh]
silvertree folds
Kappeli folds
340wby calls $0.25
stable77 raises to $0.50
tito32184 folds
Go Fish U folds
WickedCity raises to $0.75
atxangel folds
tito32184 stands up
ringben calls $0.50
340wby folds
stable77 calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Jc 7s 4h]
ringben checks
stable77 checks
WickedCity bets $0.25
ringben raises to $0.50
stable77 folds
WickedCity calls $0.25 (I just called the check-raise feeling very confident he only had KJ, QJ, or QQ and was planning for a raise on the turn.)
*** TURN *** [Jc 7s 4h] [Ac]
EasySt3613 adds $5
ringben bets $0.50
WickedCity raises to $1 (based on my feelings the Ace here is a blank and I raise.)
ringben calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Jc 7s 4h Ac] [Js]
ringben checks
WickedCity checks (At this point I am 100% sure he's got a Jack. Check please.)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WickedCity shows [Ks Kh] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
ringben shows [Jd Kd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
ringben wins the pot ($5.60) with three of a kind, Jacks

Ok, my question...Would you have reraised his check-raise on the flop (giving away the strength of your hand) or raise his lead out bet on the turn to punish him and get max value?

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject:

As long as you were fairly certain of your reads, you played it as perfectly as you could have. Looking back at the decisions you were never wrong and the flop smooth call of the check-raise knowing you were ahead was in full intent of getting an extra BB on the turn as opposed to 1sb on the flop--which succeeded. Great read on the turn, a lot of players will falter on a scare card like that even though their read is telling them something different. Don't bemoan short term results, when you look back at your decisions and you feel like they were accurate be happy and do your best to disregard the results good or bad.

WickedCity · High Card Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7

Thanks DeadMoney, I was very confident about my read there and trying my best to extract the max from the situation. Bascially I am ignoring the fact I lost the pot because my reads were dead on but I posted this hand history just to get more insight as to how others would have played in this situation.

Thanks again for your insight and reassurance.

USFDoh · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject:

Winning a hand does not mean you made the right decision and losing does not mean you made the wrong one. You went through the hand with a solid plan to extract as much value as you could, but just got unlucky on the river.

bigwheell · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject:

I think you played the hand fine, I think it depends on whether or not you are heads up and how strong your hand is in relation to how many people are left to act in the hand after your actions. In this situation, I think you were right to checkraise on the turn...

I guess it depends on what types of hands you will 3 bet...I will 3 bet draws, trips, overpairs to the board, TPTK, and sometimes cards with no connection to the board at all...(Note...I did not say always)

I consistantly 3 bet such a wide variety of hands that I do not think it would give away the strength of my hand. I am not a maniac by any means, but I play pretty aggressive heads up or to get the hand heads up...

I will also 3 bet in LP with what I think is probably the second best hand to price the blinds out of the hand to give me a better shot at winning the hand...

So few people 3 bet preflop that they almost always assume that you have a big PP...It makes it much easier to take down the hand post flop when small to middle cards hit the board and they do not connect with you either.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject:

bigwheell, i think you need to re-read that HH, HERO is button (seat 5). This is the classic smooth call check raise in position HU on the flop to pop it on the turn line Wink

WickedCity · High Card Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7

Bigwheell, I too will 3 bet a flop with more than the standard big pocket pairs and it's possible that I would not have given away the strength of my hand, but since it was already HU, I wanted to make sure and not let this fish off the hook.

griffinlord · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:11 am Post subject:

Sort of a comment/question.

How well can you really protect your hand at micro limit? I guess I focus on maximizing value because I don't think you can really do much to protect your hand in limit--I sort of feel that protecting your hand is a nl concept--you make a big bet where villian either folds or has really bad odds to call. That's hard to do in limit.

In the current hand the check raiser isn't going to go away--at least I don't think they will. A reraise on the flop only puts the villian into check-call mode, maybe allowing them to get away from the hand to a bet on the turn. But, odds are you can't "protect your hand" here you can only go for max value in the likely event that villian fails to draw out.

After preflop betting pot has almost 10sb (5bb)

A reraise on the flop gives villian almost 14-1 to call and better than 7-1 to call the turn and 10-1 to call the river. (I think I have that counted right...) There is no way you can protect this hand, you can only work on maxing out your value while ahead and cutting your loss when villian hits his 2-outer on the river.

Or am I missing something?

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