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Paprika · Full House Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 194

Played again this late morning for approx 90 minutes. $2-4 Table was all no fold em on every single hand. One of those very frustrating sessions. A lot of the pots I was the only one who folded. Funny, but I have really relaxed my opening hand requirements a lot but I still find it hard to play 38 off suit in MP and call two raises with it like so many did today at the table. I took exactly one hand to show down and won with it. The guy on my right said to me "Man, you are a tight player" I just smiled as he turned over his J2 that lost to a str8. The one hand that i did play I got AKh utg, I raised, 8 callers. Can you frickin believe that? Flop came down K8, I figured to bet it the whole way at this table, turn came another A, I bet, down to 2 callers(what the heck were they thing?), river was another 8 which was a great card for me(jackpot potential if I got beat by quads plus hopefully it helped someone) , showed my aces full and took down my lone pot for the session. Now I have played at some loose passive tables but these guys and girls were calling bets with literally nothing. I guess at a table like this one, if you have patience you can wait for preemies and bet the **** out of them.

Any other advice would be helpful. I just finished reading SSHE and have
read LLHE as well. I am in the middle of checking out Jen Harman's LHE section in SS2 and so far it seems like it is geared a bit more for higher limits.

I feel like my play is good, I can read players fairly well, can tell what types of players there are at any 2-4 table within minutes. I am still looked upon as a rock at the 2-4 tables cause I am not willing to play bad hands, blinds notwithstanding. I am giving some serious thought to moving up to 3-6 and 4-8. $ is not the problem, just that I have not played at 3-6 but once and never played anything higher than that. I know that there is some serious money to be made at 2-4 but lately the play makes me sick and it has not been too fun the last few sessions. I have the patience to wait for playable hands and I know that I should not be playing most of the hands that people at this level play. So, considering the rake and tips, should I ditch the 2-4 and just move up a level and stay there for a while and test the water out? The thing is, the reason I am still playing at the 2-4 level is because of the bad players($$$) but at the same time it can't but frustrate me. I'm torn.

Only thing that saved me today was my Omaha hi lo session which after about 45 minutes I was up $45 or so.

bigwheell · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:45 am Post subject:

It can be tough playing 2/4...You are very card and flop dependant, the reason I say this is that you are going to have to show down the best hand to win the pot.

3/6 is going to be just a little bit tighter preflop, but most players will be calling stations post flop all the way to the river. You are still going to have to show down the best hand to win, meaning that you are going to have to wait for your good starting hands to get involved.

4/8, you are going to run into better players. you will not see many people turning over 8-3o like you mentioned in your message above...

Give 4-8 a shot if you do not mind sitting down with a couple of hundred bucks in front of you. From your posts, I think that you have a good grasp of the game and that you are able to make good decisions in the middle of a hand...

There are still a lot of poor players that will sit down at a 4/8 table, but I think the players overall will be a bit better. I have seen more turn agression while playing 4/8, this will leave you with many tough decisions as to how to proceed with your hand when you come up against a turn raise.

Just a little word of wisdom from me...

If you opt for 4/8, take some time to get used to handling the chips before you go to the casino...

At my local cardroom, we play all games with both $1 and $2 chips. So when I would play there, I would only be handling 4 chips when I made an $8 bet. I looked like an idiot when I went to Vegas and I had a hard time counting out $8 and $16 bets using $1 chips...

Good luck and keep posting...

griffinlord · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject:

loose games increase your variance...8 callers to the flop means that your premium hands will get out-drawn pretty often, but when they aren't you'll drag a nice pot. It also means you have the odds to see a flop and fold if you miss with a lot more hands. But all of that increases your variance.

If the variance is too hard on you then by all means try moving up a level or two. I've only played 3/6 live once but it played pretty well. Lots of limping preflop so I managed to catch two bigblindspecials which put me up over a fairly short session.

Paprika · Full House Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 194

Thanks Griffin and BW-You think that at a table with 8 limpers like this that I can even play more hands than these that I currently play: Any pairs, various high cards, suited connectors. Should I throw into the mix even more high card combos, suited one gappers even 3 gappers at times, any connectors and more suited combos like K9, Q8 suited etc.? To my thinking, playing suited one and two gappers is usually just costing more bets but at a table like this one maybe it isn't such a bad idea to see some flops with them? I would think trash hands like Q7o should still be mucked right away? I just can't see calling with hands like this, I really don't want to get into bad habits calling with a Q7o types of trash hands, in non-blind positions especially.

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