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luvdoinit
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 Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:31 pm Post subject: RE_KIDS & PARENTS AND POKER |
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Some parents now are saying, screw trying to have their kid become a milliionaire from sports, they can do it by playing poker!!!
Hey honey lets open that real money account up for little susan/johnny so we can become millionaires. Think of the benefits to, no more time and gas wasted taking them to and picking them up from practice and games. And honey look at all the money we'll save that we use to spend on lessons. Johnny/Susie are only 12 now so just think how much we will make by the time they can legally play?
P.S. - HBO's Real Sports With Bryant Gumble had a special segment in which they showed a few parents across the country who host poker party's for thier kids and their kids friends where real money is played with. These kids were between the ages of 11-14 years old!!! The parents logic for doing this was and I quote, "At least they knew where their children were at".
I believe if thats all the control they or you have over your children then you shouldnt have children. BTW, I'm a 43 yr old father of 2 son's 23 & 19 who have grown up to be fine young men thanks to dicipline and praise given in the right amounts. Along with total love as well as the belief and fear of God and moral values.
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| not the case with everyone my friend...a lot of us play behind our parents' backs |
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straylight
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| LOL, i would not doubt it that this happens |
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mistaken69
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| i used to do that....when i was 16 or 17 id get my fake ID and me and a couple buddies would head to the casino to play some poker of bj. i think they kinda figured it out though, youd be surprised what your parents know about you that you thought you kept secret. |
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SatchDork
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:38 am Post subject: Re: RE_KIDS & PARENTS AND POKER |
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| luvdoinit wrote: |
Some parents now are saying, screw trying to have their kid become a milliionaire from sports, they can do it by playing poker!!!
Hey honey lets open that real money account up for little susan/johnny so we can become millionaires. Think of the benefits to, no more time and gas wasted taking them to and picking them up from practice and games. And honey look at all the money we'll save that we use to spend on lessons. Johnny/Susie are only 12 now so just think how much we will make by the time they can legally play? |
Those parents are just as stupid and destructive as the ones who are convinced their child is going to make the "big leagues." No more, no less. |
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Cathaleon
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Yeh, it is sick to do that to their children.
But you should be able to make a few hundred dollars a week playing poker, even small-time.
I personally won't be encouraging my children to gamble, but I am currently working on getting my cat to understand the game (he likes to type to the other Full Tilters while I'm playing).
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SatchDork
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| Cathaleon wrote: |
Yeh, it is sick to do that to their children.
But you should be able to make a few hundred dollars a week playing poker, even small-time.
I personally won't be encouraging my children to gamble, but I am currently working on getting my cat to understand the game (he likes to type to the other Full Tilters while I'm playing).
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Didn't you hear? That German Shepherd from the commercials placed 124th in the Main Event this year. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:36 am Post subject: Re: RE_KIDS & PARENTS AND POKER |
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| luvdoinit wrote: |
Some parents now are saying, screw trying to have their kid become a milliionaire from sports, they can do it by playing poker!!!
Hey honey lets open that real money account up for little susan/johnny so we can become millionaires. Think of the benefits to, no more time and gas wasted taking them to and picking them up from practice and games. And honey look at all the money we'll save that we use to spend on lessons. Johnny/Susie are only 12 now so just think how much we will make by the time they can legally play? |
What parents are saying this? Did you read an article or something or did you just make this up? If there is an article or something post the link. |
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luvdoinit
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: RE_KIDS & PARENTS AND POKER |
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What parents are saying this? Did you read an article or something or did you just make this up? If there is an article or something post the link.[/quote]
NO, I didnt read this in some article or make it up, although as I said I did see a special on "HBO's Real Sports W/Bryant Gumble" that showed parents who host poker party's for their 11 yr old son and his friends, and the kids bet with real money. The rest of it came from my own common sense, which perhaps is something your lacking. If you think this stuff doenst happen then you really need to OPEN YOUR MIND AND YOUR EYE'S UP. |
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SatchDork
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: RE_KIDS & PARENTS AND POKER |
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| luvdoinit wrote: |
| What parents are saying this? Did you read an article or something or did you just make this up? If there is an article or something post the link. |
NO, I didnt read this in some article or make it up, although as I said I did see a special on "HBO's Real Sports W/Bryant Gumble" that showed parents who host poker party's for their 11 yr old son and his friends, and the kids bet with real money. The rest of it came from my own common sense, which perhaps is something your lacking. If you think this stuff doenst happen then you really need to OPEN YOUR MIND AND YOUR EYE'S UP.[/quote]
Who's worse, the parents who host the party or the parents of the other kids attending? Wonder if you could consider that "contributing to the delinquency of a minor." I guess I really don't have a problem with exposing your child to poker (there are even some benefits), but expecting/pushing them to grow up to be Moneymaker is wrong. Then again, I don't have a problem with someone drinking a beer in front of their kid and you can make all sorts of arguments about the harm that might cause. I'd like to see Annie Duke weigh in on the kids & poker topic. |
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luvdoinit
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: RE_KIDS & PARENTS AND POKER |
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Who's worse, the parents who host the party or the parents of the other kids attending? Wonder if you could consider that "contributing to the delinquency of a minor." I guess I really don't have a problem with exposing your child to poker (there are even some benefits), but expecting/pushing them to grow up to be Moneymaker is wrong. Then again, I don't have a problem with someone drinking a beer in front of their kid and you can make all sorts of arguments about the harm that might cause. I'd like to see Annie Duke weigh in on the kids & poker topic.[/quote]
Drinking a beer in front of their kid or your children does no harm. Its only a harm when the parent/s is a drunk. I speak from experience having had a close childhood friend who's father came home drunk every night, and a brother and sister inlaw with children and do the same thing. Our niece and nephew often call my wife up asking if they can come spend the weekend to swim etc. But we know the real reason especially when its time for them to go home and they ask if their parents are to drunk to pick them up and do they really have to go home now, cant they stay another day or so. |
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SatchDork
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: RE_KIDS & PARENTS AND POKER |
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| luvdoinit wrote: |
| Who's worse, the parents who host the party or the parents of the other kids attending? Wonder if you could consider that "contributing to the delinquency of a minor." I guess I really don't have a problem with exposing your child to poker (there are even some benefits), but expecting/pushing them to grow up to be Moneymaker is wrong. Then again, I don't have a problem with someone drinking a beer in front of their kid and you can make all sorts of arguments about the harm that might cause. I'd like to see Annie Duke weigh in on the kids & poker topic. |
Drinking a beer in front of their kid or your children does no harm. Its only a harm when the parent/s is a drunk. I speak from experience having had a close childhood friend who's father came home drunk every night, and a brother and sister inlaw with children and do the same thing. Our niece and nephew often call my wife up asking if they can come spend the weekend to swim etc. But we know the real reason especially when its time for them to go home and they ask if their parents are to drunk to pick them up and do they really have to go home now, cant they stay another day or so.[/quote]
That's really sad and, as the child of a "recovering alcoholic," I can semi-relate. However, that's not exactly the point I was trying to make nor the discussion I wanted to get in to. My point was more along the lines of "When a parent does X in front of a child, it imprints on the child that X is acceptable." To tie it back to the actual topic of the thread, a parent who hosts, or allows their child to attend, "poker parties" is telling their child that poker is a good thing (I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but you have to be careful with kids. Pop over to the Stu Ungar thread). A parent who drinks in front of their child is telling the child that drinking is a good thing. Again, I'm not making value judgements or anything, but you have to be careful in these "slippery slope" situations. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: RE_KIDS & PARENTS AND POKER |
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| luvdoinit wrote: |
What parents are saying this? Did you read an article or something or did you just make this up? If there is an article or something post the link.
NO, I didnt read this in some article or make it up, although as I said I did see a special on "HBO's Real Sports W/Bryant Gumble" that showed parents who host poker party's for their 11 yr old son and his friends, and the kids bet with real money. The rest of it came from my own common sense, which perhaps is something your lacking. If you think this stuff doenst happen then you really need to OPEN YOUR MIND AND YOUR EYE'S UP. |
WTF is that. I just asked if there was an article or something because it sounded interesting and I wanted to read it. Thanks for updating your post after I posted with where you got the info from. Before that it said nothing of your source. |
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StxJimmy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: RE_KIDS & PARENTS AND POKER |
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| luvdoinit wrote: |
| Who's worse, the parents who host the party or the parents of the other kids attending? Wonder if you could consider that "contributing to the delinquency of a minor." I guess I really don't have a problem with exposing your child to poker (there are even some benefits), but expecting/pushing them to grow up to be Moneymaker is wrong. Then again, I don't have a problem with someone drinking a beer in front of their kid and you can make all sorts of arguments about the harm that might cause. I'd like to see Annie Duke weigh in on the kids & poker topic. |
Drinking a beer in front of their kid or your children does no harm. Its only a harm when the parent/s is a drunk. I speak from experience having had a close childhood friend who's father came home drunk every night, and a brother and sister inlaw with children and do the same thing. Our niece and nephew often call my wife up asking if they can come spend the weekend to swim etc. But we know the real reason especially when its time for them to go home and they ask if their parents are to drunk to pick them up and do they really have to go home now, cant they stay another day or so. |
That's really sad and, as the child of a "recovering alcoholic," I can semi-relate. However, that's not exactly the point I was trying to make nor the discussion I wanted to get in to. My point was more along the lines of "When a parent does X in front of a child, it imprints on the child that X is acceptable." To tie it back to the actual topic of the thread, a parent who hosts, or allows their child to attend, "poker parties" is telling their child that poker is a good thing (I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but you have to be careful with kids. Pop over to the Stu Ungar thread). A parent who drinks in front of their child is telling the child that drinking is a good thing. Again, I'm not making value judgements or anything, but you have to be careful in these "slippery slope" situations.[/quote]
I disagree, based at least on my own experiences. My dad was a drinker and both my parents smoked. But both were smart enough to tell my sister and I, in essence, do as we say not as we do. Maybe it was hypocritical, but we listened, and we're better off for it.
I guess it depends on the parents and children |
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SatchDork
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: RE_KIDS & PARENTS AND POKER |
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| SatchDork wrote: |
| luvdoinit wrote: |
| Who's worse, the parents who host the party or the parents of the other kids attending? Wonder if you could consider that "contributing to the delinquency of a minor." I guess I really don't have a problem with exposing your child to poker (there are even some benefits), but expecting/pushing them to grow up to be Moneymaker is wrong. Then again, I don't have a problem with someone drinking a beer in front of their kid and you can make all sorts of arguments about the harm that might cause. I'd like to see Annie Duke weigh in on the kids & poker topic. |
Drinking a beer in front of their kid or your children does no harm. Its only a harm when the parent/s is a drunk. I speak from experience having had a close childhood friend who's father came home drunk every night, and a brother and sister inlaw with children and do the same thing. Our niece and nephew often call my wife up asking if they can come spend the weekend to swim etc. But we know the real reason especially when its time for them to go home and they ask if their parents are to drunk to pick them up and do they really have to go home now, cant they stay another day or so. |
That's really sad and, as the child of a "recovering alcoholic," I can semi-relate. However, that's not exactly the point I was trying to make nor the discussion I wanted to get in to. My point was more along the lines of "When a parent does X in front of a child, it imprints on the child that X is acceptable." To tie it back to the actual topic of the thread, a parent who hosts, or allows their child to attend, "poker parties" is telling their child that poker is a good thing (I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but you have to be careful with kids. Pop over to the Stu Ungar thread). A parent who drinks in front of their child is telling the child that drinking is a good thing. Again, I'm not making value judgements or anything, but you have to be careful in these "slippery slope" situations. |
I disagree, based at least on my own experiences. My dad was a drinker and both my parents smoked. But both were smart enough to tell my sister and I, in essence, do as we say not as we do. Maybe it was hypocritical, but we listened, and we're better off for it.
I guess it depends on the parents and children[/quote]
You disagree with what part? My point was just that you have to be careful with kids. Perhaps I should have used "acceptable" instead of "good thing." It sounds like we had pretty similar experiences and parents growing up. They both had the sense to tell us "Yeah, I do it, but it's not a stupid thing to do, so don't." I doubt that you've never had a beer or cigarette, though, because I know I have.
The problem is, relating this all back to the thread, that "poker parents" aren't using a disclaimer or anything, they're actively encouraging the behavior. I guess my metaphor wasn't that great. The "poker parents" are more like a parent who drinks in front of their child and, before they open each beer, says "Ah, the best beverage in the world." Still not a great metaphor, but better. In both cases, you're not escorting them down a path of certain destruction, but you're encouraging - or at least making acceptable - potentially destructive behavior. Like I said, with kids you have to be careful.
Anyway, the bottomline is that your last sentence was exactly right. It all depends on the specific parents and children (in both cases). |
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