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Chrysiptera · Pair Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 34 Location: USA

Full Tilt Poker Game #1027975843: Table Ringe (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 20:39:59 ET - 2006/09/22
Seat 1: jumbahjuice ($24.50)
Seat 2: cedarbraeoz ($8.55)
Seat 3: Chrysiptera ($20)
Seat 4: konman14 ($9.55)
Seat 5: Hrleyrider ($16.45)
Seat 6: Teachsoccer ($5.60)
Hrleyrider posts the small blind of $0.10
Teachsoccer posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chrysiptera [Js Jd]
jumbahjuice calls $0.25
cedarbraeoz calls $0.25
Chrysiptera raises to $0.50
konman14 folds
Hrleyrider calls $0.40
Teachsoccer calls $0.25
jumbahjuice calls $0.25
cedarbraeoz calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [6c 5d 2d]
Hrleyrider checks
Teachsoccer checks
jumbahjuice checks
cedarbraeoz checks
Chrysiptera bets $0.25
Hrleyrider raises to $0.50
Teachsoccer folds
jumbahjuice folds
cedarbraeoz folds
Chrysiptera raises to $0.75
Hrleyrider raises to $1
Chrysiptera calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [6c 5d 2d] [2c]
Hrleyrider bets $0.50
Chrysiptera raises to $1
Hrleyrider calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [6c 5d 2d 2c] [Ts]
Hrleyrider bets $0.50
Chrysiptera raises to $1
Hrleyrider calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chrysiptera shows [Js Jd] (two pair, Jacks and Twos)
Hrleyrider shows ?????????????????????????????????????????????

fire_eyes_2k · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject:

Well the hand wouldnt be her if you had won, so I'm goin to guess your opponent had pocket 55 or 66 and has made a full house. Alternatively, they might have 3,4 and prove that they should be removed from the gene pool.

Chrysiptera · Pair Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 34 Location: USA

Zophar · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject:

Given the seemingly loose table, with basically everyone in the hand(especially if this was typical), I would've limped w/the J's then check called all the way down after the 1st raise on the turn. I figure the guy had 56, 77, 88 or 99.
Preflop pairs lose value extremely quickly in multiway pots. In a hand like that, by the time it got to the button or blinds, a 34suited would be a fine hand to play BTW. The pot odds would be easily justified. With that many players, it's all mechanical post flop.

Big Slick x13x · Forum Icon Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 4238 Location: ROK

This definitely has me confused. After the flop they check / raise you which should have been a hint that it's time to check / call down. I'd say the flop hit them pretty hard so 65 maybe. It could be A6 of diamonds. They check raise that beautiful flop and pump it the whole way. Then when the board pairs they realize their flush may not be good if it hits and slow up. Then when the draw misses they bet out to try to represent a big hand on the river, and just call the raise to pay you off and gain some information. That's the best possibility I could come up with.

Another possible hand is something as bad as 52 or 62. They may not have reraised on the turn when thier boat hit to not scare you off. Then on the river they just called the raise for the same reason, even though it's apparent you weren't leaving the pot.

Like Zophar said 34s is a very possible hand in a limit game in a multiway pot. I love playing suited connectors in these pots. They way it played out that is also a possibility. But by your reply it seems like 34 isn't the hand they had so I ruled it out. I do disagree with Zophar saying don't raise with the jacks. But you should have check called all the way down after you were raised on the flop.

Chrysiptera · Pair Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 34 Location: USA

Brewnoe · Flush Joined: 26 Jun 2006 Posts: 130

Just looking at the cards, I'm tempted to say T2, but with the betting on the flop I really have to hope it's not .. 32 or 24 would be a weak pair/draw combo that I could see going for 1 raise on the flop, but not the second. I'm going to guess the TT 2-outter, altho it still doesn't explain the call on the end.

Zophar · Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:21 am Post subject:

Big Slick, The reason I wouldn't raise the J's in this situation is because it appears that regardless of raises, it is a very loose table. If this was an unusual hand and it was typical to have only 3 or maybe 4 players in a hand, then I'd raise them. However, when it gets over 5 players on average seeing a flop, I generally look at JJ as a much weaker holding(really Q's down I treat the same). With that many people in a hand, the likely winning hand moves from a pair to 2pair. If my J's don't improve, which is only likely to happen about 15% of the time, I'm more often than not beat by the river.

Chrysiptera · Pair Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 34 Location: USA

As promised.. the showdown..

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chrysiptera shows [Js Jd] (two pair, Jacks and Twos)
Hrleyrider shows [As Ah] (two pair, Aces and Twos)
Hrleyrider wins the pot ($8.10) with two pair, Aces and Twos
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.50 | Rake $0.40
Board: [6c 5d 2d 2c Ts]
Seat 1: jumbahjuice folded on the Flop
Seat 2: cedarbraeoz folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Chrysiptera showed [Js Jd] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Twos
Seat 4: konman14 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Hrleyrider (small blind) showed [As Ah] and won ($8.10) with two pair, Aces and Twos
Seat 6: Teachsoccer (big blind) folded on the Flop

HuJwang · Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject:

cold calling with aces into a multiway pot. risky play.. but i guess it pays off if you can manage to avoid every single person hitting the board.

Chrysiptera · Pair Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 34 Location: USA

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