Online Poker Forum - Help w this hand

comin4you · Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: Help w this hand

I don't play much razz, so I'd appreciate any advice on the hand. I think a laydown on the river would have been appropriate as he prob wasn't betting w/o a made 7, but I'm mostly wondering how I played the hand in general. Also, I've seen this kind of play form opponents before (the raise on 4th), what's the strategy there? Why raise w/ a 9-draw? Is he just nuts or am I clueless. Thanks!

Full Tilt Poker Game #581850854: Table Danville - $0.50/$1 Ante $0.10 - Limit Razz - 22:53:58 ET - 2006/04/20
Seat 1: Droog567 ($26.15)
Seat 2: evilbilly ($63.55)
Seat 3: seanzo141 ($10.50)
Seat 4: Comin4You ($32.40)
Seat 5: J T Arcy ($27.15), is sitting out
Seat 6: HarleyBlues ($12.35)
Seat 7: tcpDrummer ($8.80)
Seat 8: Cashidy ($9.55)
Droog567 antes $0.10
Cashidy antes $0.10
HarleyBlues antes $0.10
tcpDrummer antes $0.10
Comin4You antes $0.10
seanzo141 antes $0.10
evilbilly antes $0.10
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Droog567 [8c]
Dealt to evilbilly [Qd]
Dealt to seanzo141 [9h]
Dealt to Comin4You [5d 3c] [4c]
Dealt to HarleyBlues [Ts]
Dealt to tcpDrummer [Js]
Dealt to Cashidy [9c]
evilbilly is high with [Qd]
evilbilly brings in for $0.15
seanzo141 calls $0.15
Comin4You completes it to $0.50
HarleyBlues folds
tcpDrummer folds
Cashidy folds
Droog567 calls $0.50
evilbilly folds
seanzo141 calls $0.35
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Droog567 [8c] [Jc]
Dealt to seanzo141 [9h] [2c]
Dealt to Comin4You [5d 3c 4c] [6s]
Comin4You bets $0.50
Droog567 calls $0.50
seanzo141 raises to $1
Comin4You raises to $1.50
Droog567 folds
seanzo141 calls $0.50
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to seanzo141 [9h 2c] [Ah]
Dealt to Comin4You [5d 3c 4c 6s] [Th]
seanzo141 bets $1
Comin4You calls $1
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to seanzo141 [9h 2c Ah] [7s]
Dealt to Comin4You [5d 3c 4c 6s Th] [8h]
J T Arcy has returned
seanzo141 bets $1
Comin4You calls $1
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Comin4You [5d 3c 4c 6s Th 8h] [Qs]
seanzo141 bets $1
Comin4You calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
seanzo141 shows [6h 5s 9h 2c Ah 7s Ac] (7,6,5,2,A)
Comin4You mucks
seanzo141 wins the pot ($11.35) with 7,6,5,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $11.85 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Droog567 folded on 4th St.
Seat 2: evilbilly folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: seanzo141 showed [6h 5s 9h 2c Ah 7s Ac] and won ($11.35) with 7,6,5,2,A
Seat 4: Comin4You mucked [Qs 5d 4c 6s Th 8h 3c] - 8,6,5,4,3
Seat 5: J T Arcy is sitting out
Seat 6: HarleyBlues folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: tcpDrummer folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: Cashidy folded on 3rd St.

Jaconda78 · Moderator Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4179

I like your play through 5th street very much. He definately made the wrong move raising the 9 low, and you were right to reraise him. On sixth, I would probably have called also, but no way I would call a river bet there without catching at least a 7.

starlet311 · Three of a Kind Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 94

with all that money in there you arent going to call one more bet? i think i would have called one more bet.

GripHoldOn · Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: Re:

guitarguy178 · Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:31 am Post subject:

I also think you have to call that last bet. I would be pretty sure that he beat you on the river. Why would he raise 4th street with a 9 2 5 6. As I was reading that hand I would have been sure he paired the Ace on 5th, which makes you better than 2-1. I think he got lucky against you, and I think you need to pay it off. If you lay this down you are asking to be bluffed off a lot of pots later on.

Jaconda78 · Moderator Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4179

Dunno. On the one hand, you guys make good points - pot is very large compared to the bet size, and it does open you up to bluffs later on. However, I don't like putting in money when I'm 95% sure that I'm going to lose it. I just don't think there's any way he could be good there.

Perry Friedman · Full Tilt Pro Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 43

If you fold on the river you are making a HUGE mistake.
As for the raise by him on 4th, yes, it was crazy.

comin4you · Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:40 am Post subject:

As the HH shows, I obviously called. Thanks, Perry, for the reply.

Jobe Gilchrist · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject:

This doesn't really apply, but a perfect or near-perfect draw to, say, a 9 can be a favorite over an average draw to an 8 on fourth. It might even be a favorite on fifth over a high made 8, but don't quote me on that. Pay attention to the texture of that draw and you won't have so many "huh?!" moments when the cards are shown and the chips head for your opponent...which was basically every showdown when I first began playing Razz.

For instance, I'd look at his cards and think "well at best he has a 9, and I made my 9, so I'm good," when of course he had the 9 or he wouldn't have been betting the whole time, and his 9 beats my 3-5-7-8-9 by a mile.

GripHoldOn · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: Re:

guitarguy178 · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject: Re:

Jobe Gilchrist · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: Re:

GripHoldOn · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject:

Didn't mean it like that, but it seemed like you were trying to make the point that a draw can be a favorite over a made hand, not just a weaker draw to a better hand. Your point wasn't obvious, mine was, but for the point I thought you were trying to make, I thought my hand was the better one to illustrate that.

Jobe Gilchrist · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject:

Gotcha. Sorry, just one of those internet things where you can't tell the tone somebody's using. I'm also totally out of my element trying to say intelligent things about razz anyway Smile

GripHoldOn · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: Re:

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