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supfool123 · Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: when trapping goes wrong

i think this is one of the best examples i have seen about how trapping goes wrong especially if you don't know how to trap.

this happened at a home game just the other night.
we are about an hour into it blinds 50/100 with 6 players.

everyone limps in (pot 600) and the flop come Q-5-A

sb: checks (tight passive player)
bb: bets 400 (tight aggressive player)
p3: rasies to 750 and is all in (very loose very aggressive player)
me: fold my A-3 (i shouldn't of even called the bb but sometimes i am a tool!! i beleive i play tight passive/aggressive player)
p5: folds (tight aggressive player)
button: calls 750 and is all in (very loose calling station never believes you kind of player)
sb: now folds
bb: calls additional 350

pot now 2850

everyone shows their cards: bb has A-J, p3 has Q-3 and button has KK

turn was a Q and river was a 7

player p3 wins with a full house.

the person on the button then makes that commit "i was trying to trap you guys" then the comment was made "you can't really trap when everyone limps into the pot and an ace hits the board to your pocket K's." but if the button had raised instead of limping he more then likely still would of lost because the bb would of still called but p3 would not of stayed and hit a full house. so needless to say p3 went from 750 to almost 3000 and ended up winning.

just looking for thoughts or ideas on this hand or on trapping.

supfool123 · Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject:

i just noticed that i put that p3 had Q-3 and i meant that he had Q-5.

dmoore1998 · Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject:

Well you don't generally want to try to "trap" multiple opponents like that unless you flop quads or something ridiculous. Most successful trapping comes heads up when you know the other person is highly aggressive and will bluff at you. Trying to "trap" on the button with KK is a disaster, you can try to trap from early position by limping in if you're pretty sure someone will raise behind you.

On a side note, how did P3 have a full house?

The board is Q-5-A-Q-7
and the player has Q-3?

I've found that often playing the hand straightforward and getting called by weaker hands is often better than trying to be "sneaky" when you dont' have to. And if your'e going to "trap" with KK then you need to fold them when an A hits the flop with that many players involved, someone's got the ace.

emoney_33 · Full House Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

limping with KK is not trapping... it's stupid 95% of the time, and it's stupid 100% of the time when you are on the button and everyone limps in behind you.

gho · Straight Flush Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 391

There's a difference between playing a hand deceptively vs actually trapping your opponent. Trapping usually implies that you have a hand that is generally way ahead of your opponent(s) and your trying to induce a bet from your opponent. With so many limpers, KK is only a small favourite. Also most the betting action was completed (except for the SB). Unless the guy suspected one of SB/BB to make a steal attempt. A lot of new players try this new tactic of "slowplaying" big pocket pairs like KK or AA. Works once in a while but generally if you let 4-5 limpers in your not going to win too often with these hands. As dmoore said, you could limp in early position hoping to induce a bet but that only works if you know a lot of the players are aggressive raisers.

FatStacks06 · Royal Flush Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 736

The only correct time to trap is when you flop a hand that is nearly unbeatable and you are trying to induce action either by betting the minimum into a big pot or checking after a big raise. I love it when someone limps with AA and I crack them with 85o from the BB when I hit 2 pair. I never limp with AA, and would never limp with KK or QQ for that matter, you are asking to get busted.

Trapping hands:
Flopped trips with no draws (AA with a board of A92 rainbow)
Flopped nut flush (unpaired board)
Flopped Full House
Flopped Quads
Flopped Straight flush

mathman1115 · Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject:

Everyone makes some great points. The best time to trap is when you flop a fullhouse with two connecting cards or two suited cards on the flop. You want to give your opponents a chance to hit their str8 or flush (especially if lots of players in the hand) so you will get paid off.
On the other hand, if you truly think that your opponent is on one of these draws, i like to give them pot odds to do so. Nothing like making someone pay for a draw that is no good!

jessejames71 · Full House Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 229

Obviuosly this guy didnt, You can't trap with 2nd pair.

You can trap somehat with top pair top kicker but that is alot harder and work in shoarthanded games. such as holding AK and limping on th button for a two or threway pot.

Checking the flop when its check you on a board of say A-9-4, to let someone with a weak ace think they are in the lead. But even then you can't trap for a real big pot just and extar bet or two.

AllInDrawinDead · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject:

You'll get screwed when you hit top pair against an ugly two pair often enough if you do that. Might as well just raise and take the blinds. I think trapping is better for when you flop a hand that is unbeatable or next to unbeatable. Otherwise you are just giving free cards to get outdrawn.

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