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Coward Folderer · High Card Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 6

Don't think I need to elaborate... Crying or Very sad

Full Tilt Poker Game #566793310: Table Trails End (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:41:52 ET - 2006/04/14
Seat 1: winner88 ($165.30)
Seat 2: HappyGome ($39.20)
Seat 3: rorriecal ($991.90)
Seat 4: Coward Folderer ($434.95)
Seat 5: rimstillspinnin ($396)
Seat 6: KCraig ($530.70)
Coward Folderer posts the small blind of $2
rimstillspinnin posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Coward Folderer [Kd Kh]
KCraig folds
winner88 folds
HappyGome folds
rorriecal folds
Coward Folderer calls $2
rimstillspinnin raises to $8
Coward Folderer raises to $24
rimstillspinnin raises to $44
Coward Folderer raises to $434.95, and is all in
rimstillspinnin calls $352, and is all in
Coward Folderer shows [Kd Kh]
rimstillspinnin shows [Ac Ad]
Uncalled bet of $38.95 returned to Coward Folderer
*** FLOP *** [4h Jd 3s]
*** TURN *** [4h Jd 3s] [7c]
Coward Folderer: unbelievable
*** RIVER *** [4h Jd 3s 7c] [As]
Coward Folderer shows a pair of Kings
rimstillspinnin shows three of a kind, Aces
rimstillspinnin wins the pot ($789) with three of a kind, Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $792 | Rake $3
Board: [4h Jd 3s 7c As]
Seat 1: winner88 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: HappyGome didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: rorriecal (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Coward Folderer (small blind) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: rimstillspinnin (big blind) showed [Ac Ad] and won ($789) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: KCraig didn't bet (folded)

matt2411 · Royal Flush Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 559

that is a terrible beat 6 handed, but please try to keep bad beat posts to the bad beat forum, unless you are asking us for a critique of your hand.

If you want a critique, your massive overbet is only called by a hand that beats you, i bet even QQ or AK folds here.

you should have been tipped off by the minraise twice. You should have put 1 more minraise in and if he minraised you, see a flop and hope to check it down or get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

Why did you smooth call KK to start? Do you prefer if he just sucks out on you rather than having the best hand to start?

matt2411 · Royal Flush Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 559

dont underestimate the power of limping with AA or KK, i do it all the time. However I have NO problem letting it go on a scary flop or with a lot of people in a hand though. I limped/smooth called with Aces 3x yesterday - 1x won a gigantic pot when i flopped a set, 2x i folded on the flop since there were 4+ callers and a nasty lookin board.

I prefer to just smooth call with aces/kings if im heads up and in position. UTG or UTG+1 i mix it up by limping 50% and betting 4x BB 50%.

I do not like the limp reraise when you are in the SB, either you want to disguise your hand, or you play it strongly, cant mix and match.

::Note::

but limping with the majority of my hands is how i play when im LAG'ing it up, and how i get paid off so much. when i play TAG i never limp. Gotta have your style be complimentary throughout your play, unless you are changing gears.

FatStacks06 · Royal Flush Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 736

I dont undersatnd why he went from $24 to all-in for like $500... You could have put in another good re-raise, to like $100 and if you jumped on that you would know he had AA and be able to let it go. I had to lay down QQ several times in the last few days when my re-raise got re-raised and it screamed AA or KK. You don't give yourself any way out of the hand when you just push like that. I personally hate the all-in move preflop and rarely do it unless I'm the one with AA.

Beaudawg · Three of a Kind Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 97

The Call in the SB is debatable and there is plenty of reasons to support either the call or a raise, so no real problem there I see.

I think the re-raise of his raise to $8 was good, you have good hand, push it....in BB he could have anything and re-raise your initial $2 call.

When he came over the top of your $24 re-raise, I think you needed to put the breaks on. Yes he might be bluffing, but after you have indicated that you have a strong hand with your over the top re-raise, he has to figure you for a high-pair, at a minimum, TT or JJ and most likely either QQ or infact KK. Since he is hold AA don't think he would have put you on AA.

So here you are, he has re-raised your re-raise, he figures you for a strong hand that is not going away and he re-raised you.

That tells me(if I was playing your hand) that I am infact either facing AA (or perhaps as strange as it might be KK).

You don't really say what sort of player he has been, but I will assume an average tight/agrressive style....all that says....whoa horsey....he has the AA....I've got a lot in the pot already, what should I do? I am not going to be able to push him off the hand, he has me beat right now....I might catch a King on the flop/turn/river. I don't want to fold as if I do catch a K, I can take him for all his money.....so I would have just called his $44 re-raise (only $20 more to you).

If I catch the K on the flop, I check-raise him. If he checks and the turn is neutral I try for the check raise again. On the river if it comes blank I comeout and bet a nice value bet, hoping for the raise then put him all in.

If no K comes on the flop I check, he bets, I fold....some on Turn River, if he checks to my check....

Bottom line, you got caught between and rock and a hard place...but I think the All-in was a bit of an Over-bet in my book....

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