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MikeyPipes86 · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: Tough Hand..what would you do?

Tough hand...what would you have done?

0.25/0.50 NL Ring Game, 9 players

Action is folded to me, 2 off the button. I have K Diamond

Q

I raise to 1.50.

Small blind, a solid player, calls for 1.25 more.

Flop comes 8 Spade

9

J

. Not a terrible flop, but not great. I have an inside straight draw and two overs.

SB checks, I bet the pot ($3) and he raises to $6. I call. Pot now at about $15.

Turn comes 10 Heart

. This gives me the King high straight but puts three hearts on the board.

He bets out $0.50, the minimum. Very interesting bet...I didnt know if he was testing the waters to see if I had a flush or was trying to trap.

I decide to raise to $5, which he quickly calls. Pot now at $24.50.

River is 9 Diamond

This is a dangerous card because if he was playing a set of jacks or eights, this now gives him a full house.

He quickly bets out $20.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

(I'll tell what I did later after I hear what people have to say)

emoney_33 · Full House Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

first of all im not calling a raise on the flop on a gustshot straight draw.... and one of the outs puts a scary flush possibility

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject:

Fold.

I don't think the min bet on the turn was a trap, just a cheap way of seeing the river, hoping it pairs the board. I think he might have a full house. I don't think he has the flush. He would have just called on the flop.

What did you do?

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: Re:

aztecgator · Two Pair Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 70

It is not an easy decision, but I think you have to fold. You might have raised his $0.50 bet more forcefully than just to $5.00. He is getting about 4:1 on his money to call and if he did flop a set, then he has 10 outs to improve, which is plenty to justify calling the raise. Perhaps raising to $10 or more would have been better.

MikeyPipes86 · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject:

emoney-

I'm getting 4-1 odds to make that call on the flop re-raise (pot was 12 at the time, costs me another $3 to call). Plus, I didnt think he had a made hand at the time. If he had a set, he probably would have re-raised more, fearing the flush and straight possibilities.

MikeyPipes86 · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject:

I was really confused by this whole hand considering the fact that a straight, flush, straight flush, and full house were all feasible and his betting pattern was very strange, IMO.

I didn't put him on a set after the flop b/c why would he only min raise with a set considering the flush and straight possibilities on the board? If I had a set in this situation I would have re-raised to about $10-15 to really make them pay to see their draw.

I put him on the nut flush draw going to the turn, but the 0.50 bet and then only calling my turn re-raise (which I did to try to get some much needed info) rather than going over the top really screwed me up. If he had the nut flush, why would he have played it so meekly considering a possible full house and/or straight flush on the river?

FatStacks06 · Royal Flush Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 736

Fold. The only thing you can hope he has is AJ or KJ. He could easily have been drawing to the flush and hit it or filled up on the river when the 2nd 9 hit. You aren't getting great odds to call since you'll have to call a pot sized bet to go to showdown and there aren't many hands you can beat.

emoney_33 · Full House Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

emoney_33 · Full House Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

MikeyPipes86 · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject:

This guy was a pretty solid, tight-aggressive player that I thought I had a good read on. I had only been sitting at the table for about half an hour but noticed he had one of the biggest stacks and played his hands aggressively when he had the goods.

Basically, what Im saying is that he wasnt a fish that would min raise with trips considering the straight and flush draws. That being said, I almost viewed his min raise as saying, "do you really have a hand here? Is my top pair or flush draw good?" That is why I called.

Then his odd betting on the turn/river confused my thinking all together.

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All in all, I folded the hand considering the dangerous board and true potential for a flush or full house beating my hand.

JokerStars · Royal Flush Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 720

Fold.

zeus58329 · High Card Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 5

fold
The hand should not have made it as far as the river

matt2411 · Royal Flush Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 559

Fold.

My guess is he had 2 pair on the flop, was scared by the turn but not ready to fold yet, and river made him do the happy dance.

Beaudawg · Three of a Kind Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 97

You have to fold...All indications are he has you beat....I also want you to know that while I think you may have made some mis-reads with this hand, I don't think you played it terribly...

His call of your initial pre-flop raise indicates a smallish pair (like 8's or 9's) and A-x suited, or even some sort of suited connectors or gappers (8/9 s or J/9 s).

On the flop he simply check-raised you which puts even more credibity in his having a smallish pair (8's or 9's or possibly even J's).....personally at this point , with a check raise, I am not even thinking about his flush draw I am definately putting him either on 2 pair or trips)....with a gutshot straight draw and little or no help from pairing my overcards, I see your 4 outs for the straight as all you have, giving you more than 10-1 against getting your ten on the turn or more than 5-1 by getting it at the river....

Calling his check raise went against Pot Odds and I think it was your first missed opportunity to get away from the hand.

When your 10 hit on the turn, he obviously saw the 4 straight on the board and was concerned about his hand.....did you have the str8? He tossed a small bet out, and you raised. OK good play on your part, but I think you raised to little. If he has trips you made it make sense for him to call your bet.....with the chance of making a huge killing...

If you think he is still on a draw and you have the best hand and the moment, You should have hit that pot hard, at least 1/2 if not 3/4's.....make him pay for it.

If you think he made the flush, and is slow playing you, you are already screwed, so either call the 0.50 or fold..... right there....why raise a little bit if you are worried he has you beat.

Now the river, a nine hits and still have your K high straight. You have to figure that he is putting you either on a Str8 or a flush. Both hands that would be very hard for you to lay down if he bluffs into you...therefore his $20 bet is either one of the stupidest plays ever seen on the face of the earth, or he is figuring that he has the best hand and is going to make you pay to see it.

You have represented strength throughout this hand. Yet he is betting into you....my friend he has you beat....drop the hand and live to play another day....

Yes its possible he only has trip 9's or a jack or queen high straight and you will (would) win, but everything says to be Full House Jacks full of 9's, or 9's full of Jacks.....(could have 8's full of 9's as well)

Also, though a smaller possiblitity because of his Check raise on the flop, he has the A high Nut Flush.....

I am curious to see what you did and what he had.....

I hope whatever happened you ultimately beat him....hehehehe

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