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Ok so I'll start out by saying that I don't really think there's any way I would fold this hand once i hit the turn, looking for a critique on my thought process as the hand plays out and what anyone else would have thought at each point in the hand.

Live game, so no HH. 10-person ring game. 2/4 NLHE

I'm cutoff +1, @$400 in chips
Folds around to me, I raise to $15 with 10s9s
Button calls (also about $400, average player, not a donkey but no pro)
BB calls (calling station, down to about $70 in chips)

Flop 10h 9h 3s

BB checks
I bet out $30
Button min raises to $60
BB calls all-in

Several things go through my mind here as possible holdings for the button.
1. He has a piece of the flop and thinks I simply made a continuation bet and is hoping I will fold to his small raise even though he only has a marginal hand.
2. He's raising hoping I will check on the turn so he can have a free card to draw to his straight or flush.
3. He has what he considers a "big hand" and is trying to milk me for a little more money. I considered the fact that he may have flopped a set, but he could also have JJ or QQ, I've seen him play these kinds of hands weak pre-flop and waiting to see if overcards came.

I am NOT worried about the BB caller, I'm almost certain I have him beat and he's probably drawing to a gutshot, seemed to be getting low-stacked and making some donkish plays hoping to hit a longshot.

My thinking at this point was that most likely the button was on a draw, I contemplated re-raising him here but decided to wait for the turn, hope to avoid a scare card then bet out big to take the pot. If I raise here I think he's the kind of player who's going to call with his draw to see the next 2 cards even if I move all-in.
I call his min-raise.

Turn 9d (giving me 9's full of 10's)

I check, at this point I'm hoping the button is on a draw and will hit the river.

Button moves all-in.

This makes me sit up in my seat a little, he's probably not on a draw (unless he's bluffing). My first thoughts go to pocket 3's, or A-9. Frankly I'm practically jumping up and down thinking he has 3-3. I considered 10-10 but I really thought if he had that he would check also, putting me on a draw and wanting me to hit on the river. I just can't imagine moving all-in if he has 10-10. I have the 2nd nuts at this point so I don't think about it long.
I call.

He of course flips over 10-10.

Now would anyone have folded on the flop to his min raise? With so many draws out there it was easy to put him on the straight or flush draw. The move on the turn really confused me, at that point I really put him on A-9, moving all-in to chase me off what he thought was me drawing. Would anyone have folded to the all-in? Also would anyone else have moved all-in on the turn or would you have waited till the river? Was I just unlucky to run up against a bigger full-house or does anyone realistically think I should have folded at some point?

dmoore1998 · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:31 am Post subject:

That's my post btw, guess I wasn't logged in when I wrote it, looking forward to some feedback.

KGBlovesOreos · Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA

dmoore1998 · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject:

Thanks KGB, another question for everyone, in general if someone min-raises you in this position do you generally see that as a sign of a made hand, or a draw? Personally I tend to see that kind of move as trying to buy a free card later because of a draw, if you've really got a big made hand why would you min-raise? If i'm drawing and you min-raise there's no chance I'm going to fold when you give me such great odds to chase.

KarlDykhuis · Flush Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 135 Location: Minnesota

That is indeed a tough spot to be put in. Obviously it all comes down to that all in after the turn. At these stakes I can't see someone risking their entire stack without the nuts. I think it was a terrible play by him to move all in there. You had what $75 invested into this pot and he went all in for $325 more which was an overbet of the pot (around $225 i believe). Your line of reasoning was solid but second nuts is a quick way to lose your stack.

I'm not saying i could have layed this down, in fact, i'm almost positive i would have called it without even thinking too much about it.

KGBlovesOreos · Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA

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