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dead n drawin · Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:53 am Post subject: what to do in this situation

I have QQ, raise preflop in mid position. Everyone folds BB calls. I flop a set. Two of the cards on board are hearts. I'm hoping he has an ace and will call my bet, but in case he had two hearts I slightly overbet the pot (pot was 400, i bet 480) to reduce his pot odds. Anyway, he moves all-in with over 1200 in chips. So I call praying he has an ace with a nice kicker. He turns over 56 of hearts. With a 30% chance of hitting this guy came over the top of me on a flush draw. He did hit the flush on the river. Did I do anything wrong here or was it a strange play on his part?

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4179

You played correctly. You want him to do that every time he has a flush draw - you have a positive EV, and his is negative. Well played - even correctly played hands do, unfortunately, lose. Feel good that you played correctly, and, hard as it may be, be glad that he played incorrectly. In the long run, you will win and he will lose.

GripHoldOn · Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:17 am Post subject:

He thought that you could have been representing a strong hand because you raised before the flop, but that potentially you solely had ace high. He thought that he could perhaps move you off of your hand with his all-in bet, knowing that if you did happen to have a good hand, he could still win with his flush. You tricked him in this hand, because when you overbet your hand on the flop, it is likely that your opponent felt you were trying to make him fold. You induced him to go all-in when he was not getting near correct odds to do so. You played the hand perfectly, but unfortunately, despite the dominating position you held, you still will lose that hand 30% of the time. Keep trying to incite those situations, because over time they will make you money.

goodtime · Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:23 am Post subject:

What a great play. This is a very very good play to trick you opponent into coming over the top of you when you have the positive percentage on him, it must have been a $5.50 sit n go because that was a terrible move to make by him.

Zuchov · Royal Flush Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 646

GTKID · Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:51 am Post subject:

Well I knew the flush was coming. And if I get all my money in before it comes I'm more likely to get paid off. You just played like a fish. All your money in with the best hand... who cares.

UrbanMeyer1 · Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject:

Post the HH

iuz the old · Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject:

You played it perfectly - I dont know if he did , a lot of people hide behind the phrase semi bluff when in reality they simply cant let go of a draw when denied the pot odds. There are times to do this for sure but most of the time when a guy overbets the pot he is saying clearly that he has a good hand and it will cost you your stack to draw - I generally take him at his word!
This situation is a huge plus for you in the long run as even when he does hit his flush you will often hit your boat (7 outs on the flop 10 on the turn) to make it a moot point.

iuz the old · Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject:

Zuchov - I cant agree that the vast majority of time you take down the pot here with all in semi bluff reraise. Yes you will get trapped by a set on occasion but what if he has a plain old AQ KQ or AA KK or even if he smells a rat with JJs TTs or 99s When someone overbets the pot it can be suspicious but not as suspicious as when another comes over the top for all his chips on a two suited flop! If you have a legitimately strong hand heads up why not just call or put in a smaller raise? surely you dont fear the flush draw? I would give serious consideration to calling your all in with AK if one of them was a heart

Zuchov · Royal Flush Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 646

Well, the thing is that an overbet (especially from a player who's not better than average) typically indicates a steal, or a hand they don't want to be calling with. Either way, I've found that coming over the top in these types of situations has been very + EV for me so far. But, I'm tight and people fold to me alot as it is... and I also don't typically call preflop raises with 6 highs, so I tend to have more outs than just your average draw, so that could be another reason. I still think it's a good idea - if you think someone's stealing, make them call off all their chips. They usually won't.

And, on another note, what's up with resurecting month old threads?

GripHoldOn · Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject: Re:

iuz the old · Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:47 am Post subject:

Lol I dont normally call with 6 highs and that was what my thread was based on but you make some good points.
I have just started posting (taking a playing break) so I am seeing these posts for the first time. If the thread is interesting I am responding is all.

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