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Abused Doggy
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 Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: Amazing Hand. |
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Full Tilt Poker Game #6903311685: Table Roper (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:42:19 ET - 2008/06/20
Seat 1: potzzy12 ($53.80)
Seat 2: HABANERO67 ($10)
Seat 3: Abused Doggy ($70.80)
Seat 4: FISHNABARREL420 ($25), is sitting out
Seat 5: Neutronstar ($41.15)
Seat 6: IveyLike08 ($25.60)
potzzy12 posts the small blind of $0.10
HABANERO67 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Abused Doggy [6s 6h]
Abused Doggy raises to $0.50
Neutronstar folds
IveyLike08 folds
potzzy12 raises to $1.50
HABANERO67 folds
Abused Doggy calls $1
*** FLOP *** [6c Qd 6d]
potzzy12 bets $2
Abused Doggy has 15 seconds left to act
Abused Doggy calls $2
*** TURN *** [6c Qd 6d] [Qh]
potzzy12 bets $4
Abused Doggy calls $4
*** RIVER *** [6c Qd 6d Qh] [Ad]
potzzy12 bets $8
Abused Doggy raises to $29
potzzy12 has 15 seconds left to act
potzzy12 calls $21
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Abused Doggy shows [6s 6h] four of a kind, Sixes
potzzy12 mucks
Abused Doggy wins the pot ($70.25) with four of a kind, Sixes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $73.25 | Rake $3
Board: [6c Qd 6d Qh Ad]
Seat 1: potzzy12 (small blind) mucked [Qc Ac] - a full house, Queens full of Aces
Seat 2: HABANERO67 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Abused Doggy showed [6s 6h] and won ($70.25) with four of a kind, Sixes
Seat 4: FISHNABARREL420 is sitting out
Seat 5: Neutronstar didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: IveyLike08 (button) didn't bet (folded)
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cubbies760
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How the hell did he not shove to your raise on the river? Yeah, he was beat, but not shoving his AQ is really a bad play, imo.
Oh....and nice hand. |
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Abused Doggy
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How the hell did he not shove to your raise on the river? Yeah, he was beat, but not shoving his AQ is really a bad play, imo.
Oh....and nice hand. |
I was wondering the same thing. I guess he could have put me on AA, but very unlikely. |
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drtre1987
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| This belongs in the Poker Stories section. |
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nilgiri
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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How the hell did he not shove to your raise on the river? Yeah, he was beat, but not shoving his AQ is really a bad play, imo.
Oh....and nice hand. |
If he has any respect for Hero, it doesn't make sense to shove that. He's either beat or splitting. |
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cubbies760
Next Year Is Here
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Location: Suburban Chicago
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| nilgiri wrote: |
| cubbies760 wrote: |
How the hell did he not shove to your raise on the river? Yeah, he was beat, but not shoving his AQ is really a bad play, imo.
Oh....and nice hand. |
If he has any respect for Hero, it doesn't make sense to shove that. He's either beat or splitting. |
Splitting doesn't seem very likely, as the hero would have to have exactly AQ, instead of the case Queen with any other kicker.
If the results weren't here, are you saying that you're not shoving Queens full of Aces here, in fear of quads or pocket aces? That seems awfully nitty, imo. |
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bottlecapthief
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I would prob shove here everytime. Anyone with a Q is going to play their hand equally as strong. The only reason I can think of that he didn't shove was the min-raise UTG. I see alot of players min-raise AA, KK, QQ UTG and EP hoping to generate action for themselves. That is the only reason I can see him not reshoving here. |
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renegades8
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Joined: 26 Nov 2006
Posts: 3393
Location: spewing @ 25NL
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Please convert your hands next time, it's way easier to read for us, There's a sticky at the top of the section.
I hate your raise preflop, standard is 4x ($1). Since you're both so deep, I think you need to raise either on the flop or turn to get more money in. Don't just have the mentality of "I have a monster, I must slowplay it", you need to play it for value and hope they have a queen or something, otherwise they're never going to pay you off anyways. I'm not really sure if it's better to raise the flop or the turn though, probably the flop and maybe the turn as well.
If you're posting this just to show what a cooler it was, post it in Poker Stories. If you're actually posting it to get analysis, remove the results please.
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| cubbies760 wrote: |
How the hell did he not shove to your raise on the river? Yeah, he was beat, but not shoving his AQ is really a bad play, imo.
Oh....and nice hand. |
If he has any respect for Hero, it doesn't make sense to shove that. He's either beat or splitting. |
Splitting doesn't seem very likely, as the hero would have to have exactly AQ, instead of the case Queen with any other kicker.
If the results weren't here, are you saying that you're not shoving Queens full of Aces here, in fear of quads or pocket aces? That seems awfully nitty, imo. |
I'm guessing nilgiri missed that villain rivered a bigger boat, definitely raise there imo. |
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renegades8
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Location: spewing @ 25NL
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I would prob shove here everytime. Anyone with a Q is going to play their hand equally as strong. The only reason I can think of that he didn't shove was the min-raise UTG. I see alot of players min-raise AA, KK, QQ UTG and EP hoping to generate action for themselves. That is the only reason I can see him not reshoving here. |
So you're saying that he might not have shoved because of fear that hero had AA (and possibly 66, even though you didn't mention it)? I don't see how you can just call here because your afraid of AA (which are the two case aces in the deck), KK (which villain has beat), and QQ (which is impossible to have). So the only hand you're saying the villain is afraid of is AA, which is really terrible if you're just calling here if you're afraid of one specific hand. |
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HuJwang
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Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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Location: Halifax, NS
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| nh, shame that your opponent was a retard though. |
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bottlecapthief
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| bottlecapthief wrote: |
| I would prob shove here everytime. Anyone with a Q is going to play their hand equally as strong. The only reason I can think of that he didn't shove was the min-raise UTG. I see alot of players min-raise AA, KK, QQ UTG and EP hoping to generate action for themselves. That is the only reason I can see him not reshoving here. |
So you're saying that he might not have shoved because of fear that hero had AA (and possibly 66, even though you didn't mention it)? I don't see how you can just call here because your afraid of AA (which are the two case aces in the deck), KK (which villain has beat), and QQ (which is impossible to have). So the only hand you're saying the villain is afraid of is AA, which is really terrible if you're just calling here if you're afraid of one specific hand. |
Like I said, I would shove. The reasoning I gave was only, imo, a possibility of why the villain wouldn't shove. I am aware the KK is beat, QQ is impossible, and 66 is also a winner, but I was trying to get a range for the hero from the villains view. The reason I didn't include 66 was because I was talking about hands that would be min-raised UTG. Once again imo, you are going to see QQ+ played like that more often that 66.
As far as after that from the villains view, the hero's range could continue to be narrowed as we progress through the hand. For him to make the flop call, and the turn call, we can eliminate many hands in the hero's range from the villain's view. Once we arrive at the river, it is possible for the villain to believe he got unlucky here.
This is not my thinking, just an attempt at running the possible thoughts of the villain out. |
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renegades8
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| bottlecapthief wrote: |
| I would prob shove here everytime. Anyone with a Q is going to play their hand equally as strong. The only reason I can think of that he didn't shove was the min-raise UTG. I see alot of players min-raise AA, KK, QQ UTG and EP hoping to generate action for themselves. That is the only reason I can see him not reshoving here. |
So you're saying that he might not have shoved because of fear that hero had AA (and possibly 66, even though you didn't mention it)? I don't see how you can just call here because your afraid of AA (which are the two case aces in the deck), KK (which villain has beat), and QQ (which is impossible to have). So the only hand you're saying the villain is afraid of is AA, which is really terrible if you're just calling here if you're afraid of one specific hand. |
Like I said, I would shove. The reasoning I gave was only, imo, a possibility of why the villain wouldn't shove. I am aware the KK is beat, QQ is impossible, and 66 is also a winner, but I was trying to get a range for the hero from the villains view. The reason I didn't include 66 was because I was talking about hands that would be min-raised UTG. Once again imo, you are going to see QQ+ played like that more often that 66.
As far as after that from the villains view, the hero's range could continue to be narrowed as we progress through the hand. For him to make the flop call, and the turn call, we can eliminate many hands in the hero's range from the villain's view. Once we arrive at the river, it is possible for the villain to believe he got unlucky here.
This is not my thinking, just an attempt at running the possible thoughts of the villain out. |
Do you really think that villian might have just called because he was afraid of AA, which is the only hand that he felt made sense here? |
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