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cjavdani
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Location: Eugene, OR
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 Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: NL25 Value with top set |
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
MP2: $20.10
CO: $48.75
BTN: $14.95
SB: $20.30
BB: $14
UTG: $48
Hero (UTG+1): $28
UTG+2: $24.75
MP1: $60.90
Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $1, MP2 folds, CO calls $1, 3 folds
Flop: ($3.35) Q 4 8 (3 Players)
Hero bets $2.75, MP1 raises to $5.50, CO folds, Hero...
Raise or smooth call and lead the turn? The min raise was instant and so many times versus an unknown this is a flush draw. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| As a default I'd probably 3-bet this. There are just so many possible draws he can put in action with on the flop and action killers that can hit on the turn. It also really sucks if we call with the intention to c/r the turn and he checks it back, which I think happens fairly often. I think calling and leading the turn might be better than 3-betting though, but I do it way too rarely to have any real idea of how people will react to it. |
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Craven1977
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Location: Baden bei Wien
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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i think you should shove all-in here on the flop.(taking the maximum out of this pot)
you will have alot of outs for a fullhouse on the river.
if you win this by shoving(and he folds) i think its also ok, but dont give him a cheap turn/river to maybe draw you out. maybe he also has an overpair then you are a huge favourite. |
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bdbranch
Banned
Joined: 13 Mar 2008
Posts: 503
Location: At home wdyt. Btw. I'm not opinionated all the time, umm can you be opinionated when you're asleep
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| I think going allin is abit too aggressive. I'd probably reraise enough to make it a allin bet on the turn. I reckon that villain will probably call a 3bet, but not so sure whether villain would play along if hero just called then bet on turn. |
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renegades8
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Joined: 26 Nov 2006
Posts: 3388
Location: spewing @ 25NL
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| 3bet, there are simply way too many turn cards that will kill the action imo. Any sort of draw or overpair is much more likely to stack off on the flop while you're still ahead than on the turn (where you're possibly behind). Would you guys agree that your hand is also under-repped on the flop more-so than it would be on most turns? I'd probably make it like $12-15 and stack off regardless. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| Hero's hand isn't under-repped, it's just at the very top of his range. |
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renegades8
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Location: spewing @ 25NL
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| Hero's hand isn't under-repped, it's just at the very top of his range. |
That makes sense, but would you mind explaining what affect it has on this hand? Like does it make a difference whether your hand is under-repped or if it's just at the top of your range? If so, how? |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| Sometimes it makes a difference, but in this hand it can't since no hand is really under-repped after just a PF raise and a flop c-bet. Under-representing a hand will usually (always?) involve taking a weak enough line that the hand is actually stronger than the perceived top of your range. |
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