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nilgiri
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 Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: Two pair vs. aggressive UTG |
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UTG is running 27.5/11/2.6 over 106 hands. He and I had been in a pot together earlier where he took a very similar line: check/raised my flop bet, bet out on the turn. I've shown that hand first (he is BB).
(My minraise was a misclick. I meant to do a pot raise but I missed the pot button or something. Feel free to comment on the rest of this hand if you want, but the hand I really want comments on is the one below this.)
Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
CO: $94.80
BTN: $80.30
Hero (SB): $100.15
BB: $219.40
UTG: $61.20
Pre-Flop: T J dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1
Flop: ($4) 6 6 T (2 Players)
Hero bets $3, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $3
Turn: ($16) 3 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets $12, Hero calls $12
River: ($40) Q (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks
Results: $40 Pot ($2 Rake)
Hero showed T J (two pair, Tens and Sixes) and WON $38 (+$18 NET)
BB showed 4 4 (two pair, Sixes and Fours) and LOST (-$20 NET)
This hand is several (20ish?) hands later. This time he limp/calls UTG. I catch TP, and then two pair OTT.
Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
CO: $109.15
BTN: $109.85
Hero (SB): $112.70
BB: $102.15
UTG: $215.70
MP: $101
Pre-Flop: K J dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB folds, UTG calls $3
Flop: ($9) 3 K 5 (2 Players)
Hero bets $4.50, UTG raises to $13, Hero calls $8.50
Turn: ($35) J (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $25, Hero ???
What's the best line here? |
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jesse6520
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| call turn and b/f riv (if you think hel call your river bet with k9 etc.) or just c/c. I hate preflop though unless this guy is a habitual limper and likes calling raises with hands that you dominate. When you do raise like this you are going to put yourself in these tough spots but i suppose you know that as well as all the other bs i just posted so yeah advice is all in first line i guess. |
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doubledownA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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I think yoiu played the J 10 hand very well there. Great check on the turn, great check on the river. I don't like min raises but that's just me, you played excellent post flop.
Hand #2: This is a very tough spot that you have created on your own by playing a mediocre hand OOP. The flop looks harmless but you can't rule out that he's holding 33, 55. You're in a spot to win or lose a lot of money. Would you put him on AK here? KQ? 3 5? |
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nilgiri
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| doubledownA wrote: |
| I don't like min raises but that's just me |
Minraise was a misclick. (I explained this in the post  )
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| Hand #2: This is a very tough spot that you have created on your own by playing a mediocre hand OOP. |
I'm not OOP, I'm on the button!
EDIT: Ack, you're right, I'm SB... brain fart...
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| The flop looks harmless but you can't rule out that he's holding 33, 55. You're in a spot to win or lose a lot of money. Would you put him on AK here? KQ? 3 5? |
Well, last time he took a very similar line he had a small PP that hadn't improved. I think that could certainly be part of his range again. I don't have enough hands on him to know what else could be in his range.
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doubledownA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
CO: $109.15
BTN: $109.85
Hero (SB): $112.70
BB: $102.15
UTG: $215.70
MP: $101
Pre-Flop: K J dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB folds, UTG calls $3
(you're not in the sb? "HERO")
sorry about the misclick mistake. |
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nilgiri
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| doubledownA wrote: |
| Pre-Flop: K J dealt to Hero (SB) |
Whoops! Sorry, my bad... |
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doubledownA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Well given your read on your opponent with your two pair...I assume you pushed the hand. I'm dying to know what your opponent had. |
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jesse6520
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| didnt see that turn gave hero tp. I still like c/c turn and prob c/rai riv but maybe b/c i think b/c>c/rai but just by a little. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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I would just complete PF most of the time since you're OOP. If he limpfolds or folds to c-bets way too often raising can probably be better though. On the flop I'd bet bigger and then fold to a raise. As played it gets trickier but I might still fold to the flop raise, despite it feeling kinda gross after betting so small. It's just going to be really tough to play turn/river profitably OOP and I don't think you can expect him to bluff as often after he's seen you call down in the previous hand.
Edit: Seems I forgot to mention the turn. By then I probably just get it in because I have top two, the pot is getting so big and this guy has done stupid stuff, but I'm not thrilled about it. |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| jesse6520 wrote: |
| call turn and b/f riv |
????
you have less than a pot-bet on river, this line makes no sense
the weird thing about this hand is that i can't see too much we beat that he will call a turn shove with. i don't see him limp/calling any hands that make two-pair UTG. the only things i can imagine are a weirdly played AK or AA. but there's also a good chance he has some draw which may have picked up FD outs with the turn diamond. we're getting stacked by sets regardless, so the only question is how often he will shove river after missing a draw. if he will probably slow down, then just shove the turn, otherwise you could call and possibly call a bet on a non-diamond river. still, personally i can't make myself fold on non-diamond rivers anyway, so maybe i'd be better off putting it in on the turn. |
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nilgiri
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I shoved the turn and he folded. I was vaguely hoping he had AA or AK. Given his previous check OTR after I called his flop and turn bets, I decided that he was likely not giving me any more money OTR, so calling would just give him a free card if he happened to be on a draw.
I just didn't know if that was the best line or not, or whether anyone thought he might fire a third bullet -- maybe he thought he could have gotten me to fold in the other hand if he had been more aggressive... |
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