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renegades8
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Joined: 26 Nov 2006
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Location: spewing @ 25NL
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 Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: 25NL: BB vs SB (line check) |
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Villain's running 37/22/8 over 63 hands.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Converter Tool from (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP ($24.10)
Button ($30)
SB ($42.20)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($26.80)
Preflop: Hero is BB with J , A.
3 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.50.
Flop: ($1.50) 5 , K, J (2 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50.
Turn: ($2.50) A (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3.75, SB calls $2.75.
River: ($10) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $4.25, Hero calls $4.25.
Final Pot: $18.50 |
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Honest_Rob
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
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Location: trying to get back to even
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd probably raise a little more preflop. The rest is standard. |
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renegades8
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Location: spewing @ 25NL
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| I'd probably raise a little more preflop. The rest is standard. |
When I posted the hand on 2p2, the consensus was pretty much to raise more preflop and raise the flop to like $2-$2.50. Everything else they thought was standard.
Rob (or anyone for that matter), do you usually make it 4xbb+1bb/limp at 25NL (as well as at all stakes)? I can see it at the micro-stakes, but wasn't sure if it should apply to all stakes. Of course it shouldn't be a rule written in concrete (depends on your style, table, stacks, etc.), but I wasn't sure if I should make it 4xbb+1bb/limp instead of 3xbb+1bb/limp. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah I usually make it between pot and 4BB+1BB/limp. So with one limper at 25NL I'd make it somewhere between $1.10 and $1.25. Not really in blind vs blind situations though. Here I would probably just raise to $1.
I can see raising this flop too. You may fold out Kings with bad kickers and charge flush draws. |
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renegades8
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Location: spewing @ 25NL
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| I can see raising this flop too. You may fold out Kings with bad kickers and charge flush draws. |
Yeah I usually raise this flop, not sure why I didn't that time. Looks like some kind of weak pair or draw trying to take the pot down cheaply. I think I have to raise here in order to find out where I am earlier and so that I can take down the pot while I still know where I am/still am ahead. |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| my inclination is to raise the flop because those crappy bets are usually going to be a random J, or some draw. i'd then re-evaluate the turn but often fire a second barrel. |
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Swierad
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Joined: 06 May 2008
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Location: Toronto ON, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Im really going for that he had A5. If he had a king he would have bet $1-2. pretty good/standard stuff over all. I would have raised 1.25 PF |
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Swierad
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Im really going for that he had A5. If he had a king he would have bet $1-2. pretty good/standard stuff over all. I would have raised 1.25 PF |
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Swierad
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Location: Toronto ON, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Im really going for that he had A5. If he had a king he would have bet $1-2. pretty good/standard stuff over all. I would have raised 1.25 PF |
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Swierad
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Im really going for that he had A5. If he had a king he would have bet $1-2. pretty good/standard stuff over all. I would have raised 1.25 PF |
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renegades8
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Location: spewing @ 25NL
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Swierad wrote: |
| Im really going for that he had A5. If he had a king he would have bet $1-2. pretty good/standard stuff over all. I would have raised 1.25 PF |
I really doubt that he takes this line with A5, and raising 5x preflop is just spewy. I really doubt he bets more than pot ever on that flop, so no offense but I disagree with everything you had to say lol. |
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jesse6520
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| meh, what do you beat on the river? I think the riv is a fold. |
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renegades8
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| jesse6520 wrote: |
| meh, what do you beat on the river? I think the riv is a fold. |
You don't think I'm ahead here more than 30% of the time? Folding this river seems really nitty imo, I doubt he's got me bet even like 50% of the time... |
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drtre1987
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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You don't think I'm ahead here more than 30% of the time? Folding this river seems really nitty imo, I doubt he's got me bet even like 50% of the time... |
QT hit a straight, any FD hit a flush, KX and AX have you beat, as well as J9. You are way behind his range. There is no way he ends up in this spot after betting flop, bet/calling turn, and betting river with worse than 2nd pair here. I think folding the river is pretty easy here.
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| my inclination is to raise the flop because those crappy bets are usually going to be a random J, or some draw. i'd then re-evaluate the turn but often fire a second barrel. |
I agree with this.
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| Im really going for that he had A5. If he had a king he would have bet $1-2. pretty good/standard stuff over all. I would have raised 1.25 PF |
Put your opponent on a range, not a specific hand. There is no way you can say that he can't have a flush here. |
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jesse6520
Four of a Kind
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| ya, just to reiterate, i just dont think hes ever bluffing in this spot and i dont think you beat any of his vbets..... so no not even 33 percent of the time. Lets put it this way, give me a single hand that he vbets on the riv given your turn raise on this scary board, that you beat. |
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