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Online Poker Forum - How to slow down and pick a range??

 
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jeremysuave
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:17 am    Post subject: How to slow down and pick a range?? Reply with quote

I've been really disecting the mistakes that I make lately thanks to you guys looking over my hh's and wanted to say thanks.

Another problem that I know that I have is that I fail to try and put a range on my opponent.

I look at what beats my hand and that is about it. I seem to feel rushed to make a decision.

What do you guys do? What questions do you ask yourselves?
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lovebeefstew
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you just have to feel comfortable with your decision. Its not just what range your putting your opponent on, but what a call or reraise might do to your tournament life. I am constantly trying to put ranges on my opponents, but sometimes it just doesnt feel right and I wont make the play. For me, intincts and reads are huge in poker.

But from you OP, you are talking about being rushed.... and i can relate with this. I often like a bit of time. But the game I play is based on Mathematics and nothing else. I study maths and have since I was a young kid, and for me, %'s mean everything. I quickly weigh up the % that my hand will hold up against the range I am putting them on. And base my play on that. This is how I play my game. From feel and mathematics. But when it comes to statistics, remember, 47.9% of stats are made up. Smile
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J0e 0Ne1LL
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well ask your self why are they calling or betting. and then think what they could of called your opening bet wiv pre flop and think of hands theyve showed down and think how you would play it if you were in the position.

alot of the time ive done this and called there bets and won but now and again therey'll call your 5BB raise from early postion wiv 6-3 and flop trips and you cant do anything about it

gl

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nilgiri
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you are putting your opponent on a range, look at his behavior on previous streets.

- Ask yourself what his range might be given his PF action. If he raises UTG, this tightens up his range. If he limped in from SB after everyone else limped, his range might be fairly wide.

- Ask yourself what his range might be given his flop action. If he calls a big bet, he might have hit part of the flop. If he makes a tiny bet first to act, he might be on a draw. If he made a c-bet, his range is probably similar to what it was PF. Keep in mind you have to work within the range you got from examining his PF actions. If a tight player raises UTG, you might put him on a PP or AJ+. I the board comes out 456 rainbow and he check raises you, you aren't going to now include 78 in his range just because that's a possible big hand OTF. You probably narrow his range down to 44+.

- In a similar fashion, ask yourself how his actions on the turn and river narrow his range. You are continually narrowing his range, never opening it up except in rare cases where it is more likely you are mistaken about his PF range than that he is bluffing.

In this way you can do things like identify where a line makes no sense unless it is a bluff, where a line makes no sense unless he has something that beats you, and various situations in between.

I don't know if this is actually what you are asking, but hopefully it helps...
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LostOstrich
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try putting yourself in your opponent's situation. Every time your opponent plays, whether he's calling or raising, consider what possible hands YOU would make that play with.

Initially, it's difficult. It also depends on your own style, obviously. But if you see an opponent call your EP raise pre-flop, start by putting him on a low-mid pair or a good ace. If he calls your C-bet, think about whether he's drawing, trapping (with a set, for example), or bluff-calling (calling despite missing the flop, with the intention of taking you off your hand).

The more hands you've seen him play, the more you can narrow his range as the hand plays out. It takes time to get used to doing it, but try it with EVERY hand you play. When you see him show down a hand that you didn't consider, think about WHY he played it so unexpectedly. Post any Hand Histories that confuse or surprise you.
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