Online Poker Forum - Straight/flush draw on a low paired board - how to play it?

nilgiri

This guy raises PF and then makes only a 1/2 pot c-bet on a low paired two-flush board. Would it be correct to assume that he missed the flop? So how do I best play this hand? do I want to raise and potentially scare him off, or call and see the turn?

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BTN: $94
SB: $274.65
Hero (BB): $134.55
UTG: $22.85
CO: $395.05

Pre-Flop: 4

A

dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) 3

2

(2 Players)
SB bets $3, Hero ???

Honest_Rob · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject:

Well do you have any reads on him? Is half pot his standard cbet?

Readless I'd raise to about $12 and shove over a raise.

nilgiri · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject:

Riddim · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject:

I'd almost always raise this flop. You have the best hand a lot but it's going to be hard to get to showdown profitably unimproved and you also fold out quite a few better hands by raising.

nilgiri · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject:

Ok. I did raise, and I figured it would be the best action. What do you think about the raise size?

Sick turn, eh? Now what?

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LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $94
SB: $274.65
Hero (BB): $134.55
UTG: $22.85
CO: $395.05

Pre-Flop: 4

A

dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) 3

2

(2 Players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $10, SB calls $7

Turn: ($26) 5

(2 Players)
SB checks, Hero ???

Riddim · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:15 am Post subject:

I raise bigger, probably 12-13. When you make 3x raises or close over small bets you kinda let them set their price and see a relatively cheap turn, which I don't like doing. In this hand it's not a big deal though, and might even be best depending on the villain since you don't want him to fold worse draws. On the other hand it's also much easier for him to just call once with a small PP intending to fold to a turn bet when you raise smaller.

When that turn hits I think I'd bet pretty big, like $23. It just feels like there's a fairly large range of bet sizes he'll react pretty much the same to on a board like this and I think $23 is at or near the top of it. The hands you'll get action from can usually be divided into 3 groups: Flushes and better, PPs with a heart and PPs without a heart.

With flushes and better, betsizing isn't super important as long as you don't bet so small that it'll be hard to get all-in before the hand is over. However, I do still like this type of bet vs. the weaker of those hands because it makes him raise the turn either to an amount large enough to feel committed or to an amount small enough that he's likely to feel like he's induced a shove.

When he has a PP without a heart I don't think his decision will be based on betsizing unless you bet really small or even close to full pot. The former just loses too much value against other hands imo and the latter discourages action from the weaker part of his range without getting enough extra money from stronger hands to make up for it.

This means that the hands which we're really targeting with our betsizing are PPs with a heart, and I think that $23 is around the max he'll call with most of those hands. It may be slightly too big though and betting a few dollars less might be a bit more profitable.

nilgiri · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject:

So I had the same idea, I just didn't bet as much.

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LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $94
SB: $274.65
Hero (BB): $134.55
UTG: $22.85
CO: $395.05

Pre-Flop: 4

A

dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) 3

2

(2 Players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $10, SB calls $7

Turn: ($26) 5

(2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB raises to $52, Hero ???

What next?

Honest_Rob · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject:

At this point just shove. He's getting almost 3 to 1 to call and I'd be surprised if he folded any hand that he raised the turn with.

esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

You played perfectly.

On the turn I advocate a half pot bet which was fine. Shove on his last raise.

nilgiri · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject:

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