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BeerandBuckeyes · Pair Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 42

funny, I successfully responded to this yesterday with a truthful answer and now I don't see where I responded. Way to go FTP!

bdbranch · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:59 am Post subject:

nilgiri · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject:

nilgiri · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject:

Riddim · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject:

Riddim · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject:

nilgiri · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject:

Wow, thanks. I have no idea what "normal" stats are, other than that under 20% VPIP was supposed to be fairly tight. I didn't know when it because really loose...

As far as my thoughts PF... I pretty much always open-raise if I want to play a hand. I'm not sure what other thoughts you are looking for...

I think my brain tells me to loosen up a bit from the way I play SnGs, and that unfortunately translates into much, much too loose.

This is a great start, thanks.

Riddim · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject:

I meant a basic starting hand chart that describes your PF play, along with some thoughts on why you play/don't play certain types of hands in certain situations. A really brief example could look like this:

"UTG: 22+, ATs+, AJo+, KJs+, KQo

I play a tight range and open-raise all of it, because I dislike both open-limping and playing out of position."

nilgiri · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject:

I can't actually remember what I played that well. It's been a while since I played full buyin, because, well, it has not been profitable for me. I remember being fairly tight UTG (22+, A8+, KJ+), and by the button I was very loose, pretty much trying to steal with anything. I folded most SB and BB hands, because I did try to be in position if I just called. I open-raised almost all of it, although occasionally I think I would limp in with PPs.

Anyway, I just 4-tabled $.5/1 6-max for 45 minutes / 251 hands. I won $211.65 / EV winnings $154.09.

VPIP: 21.9
PFR: 18.3
3-bet: 9.1
AF: 11.0
WTSD: 26.8
W$SD: 54.5

Those stats seem a lot more in line with what you guys have been telling me is good to play. And it worked for this session! Obviously 251 hands isn't a huge sample size, but at least I feel like I have somewhere to start improving (i.e. pre-flop). It helped that I won a 4-way pot with AA because two guys were chasing a flush, and the other was in his own world with some overs... although that was right at the end, and I was already up $70 or so before that. I'll try some more tomorrow. I have a few hands I'd like feedback on, but I'll post them in another thread later tonight.

Riddim · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject:

I wasn't interested in what ranges you used to play, but in what ranges you're playing now. For example, roughly what ranges would you open with in the different positions at a 6max table full of unknowns? Why?

nilgiri · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject:

esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

Hm... First glance, I disagree with your CO range, and the fact that you call 22-88 in UTGs and 22-66 in CO.

...But I'd probably expand your range on the SB and BB. It looks almost inverse to me, which in fact the opposite should probably be true.

Let me look at your stats...

You look like a gold miner. ...LAG player playing into hands hoping you fit into a monster. It also appears you either don't bluff or whiff your bluffs alot as well. This would explain your pp's and the suited connectors. Alright, here's my suggested fix while not trying to change your style too much.

Cutout all the suited connectors below J10 period in CO, and cutout all suited connected below 78 in button. From your position in button, raise every single damn hand in your range and only call a re-raise if you got JJ+ or KQos or KQs+. Try not to bluff with any of your hands unless you got more than 8 outs. Don't prusue pots unless you got proper pot odds (what I mean defintely is not to chase those flush draws). Don't pot commit. Following what I say would cut your range by about 20% is which in kind of line with what most people deem acceptable.

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Comments, Riddim?

nilgiri · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure if there is some confusion. That range is my current range -- i.e., what I am trying now after posting this. Also, that is my playing range, not my calling range. I am not calling anything UTG

EDIT: Also, this range is not quite correct. The problem is that I have a different range for calling and raising, a different range depending on whether I am opening the pot or not, and a different range depending on my opponent(s).

So I might raise Q9s from SB against a BB that folds to steal attempts often enough. But I won't call or raise limper(s) with Q9s from SB.

I had a painfully negative session today, but my EV winnings were much higher. (That is, I lost a lot of money that I shouldn't have on all-ins.) I think I am doing something right. Or rather, more right than wrong. After 1712 hands I have a VPIP/PFR of 21.1/17.3.

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