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cubbies760 · Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Do I Shove This River?

This is the 2nd $11 HU match between myself and the villian. He's a very good HU player, and hasn't minimum raised at all up until this time.

He's short-stacked, so his minimum raise looks to me like a r/r flush.

I'm assuming a fold is completely out of the question, so do I just call his min-raise, or just shove?

Also, I don't think I played this hand well at all, so any other critique is welcome.

Full Tilt Poker, $11 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 20/40 Blinds, 2 Players
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SB: 680
Hero (BB): 2,320

Pre-Flop: (60) 9 Spade

8

dealt to Hero (BB)
SB calls 20, Hero checks

Flop: (80) 7 Club

4

6

(2 Players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (80) 5 Spade

(2 Players)
Hero checks, SB bets 40, Hero calls 40

River: (160) K Spade

(2 Players)
Hero bets 80, SB raises to 160, Hero ???

Honest_Rob · Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject:

Has he been limping on the button a lot? That's never a good play imo.

I'd probably just go ahead and bet the flop unless he's really aggressive.

I'd probably just lead the turn for the pot. The pot is so small that he'll likely call a pot bet with anything that he would call any bet with. You have a strong hand and need to start getting money in the pot and check raising looks a lot stronger and he'll probably fold unless he's pretty strong also. Check/calling also puts you in the position of having to donk the river or risk having him check behind.

The river is kinda hard imo because of the way you've played the hand so far. He very well could have a flush. He also could do this with a straight because I doubt he thinks you have a straight. I'm not sure but I think a case could be made for just calling or raising. And no never fold.

cubbies760 · Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:05 am Post subject:

Badlydrawnboy · Flush Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 127

Simply calling on the river seems best to me. I don't think he necessarily has the flush and you can afford to call.

sixandfour · Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:39 am Post subject:

Yeah, a leadout on the turn was the way to go. As played I flat call the river. With that board, he's not value betting 2 pair or trips.

nilgiri · Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:52 am Post subject:

I would just call that. A min raise OTR is often a big hand that wants to get paid, but you don't know what big hand it is, given the board. He has the flush often enough here that I wouldn't want to shove.

cardfish2 · Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject:

The min raise means danger. I think you are probably beat, but I would still have to call it there.

cubbies760 · Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the replies.

Most of the replies that are saying to just call are mentioning the possibility of the flush beating me, as I completely agree that that is quite possible.

Does anyone advocate shoving to get paid by someone holding an "8", which would lose to my "8-9", or do I have to just call because of the r/r flush on its own?

Honest_Rob · Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject:

I'm really not sure here. I think he could be bluffing here sometimes too. You really just don't seem that strong and he is short stacked which might explain why he would only min. raise as a cheap bluff. You also might give him more credit for a hand because it's only a min. raise. The only times he pays your shove off is with an 8 or a 3 and he may even fold a 3 sometimes. I think I'm leaning towards just calling because I think when he calls a shove he more than likely has us beat.

sixandfour · Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject:

cubbies760 · Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject:

I like the analysis by everyone.

FYI, I just called and he had the 8 for a lower straight. In retrospect, I probably would have gotten a call from him considering how short he was, but I didn't feel the need to let him get back into the match if I was wrong.

This hand had me wondering because he ended up getting back into it anyhow, and he won the SNG. Sad

I started to second guess myself, and wished that I had put him away when I had the chance, but those are the breaks.

In general, I like the flat call in this situation.

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