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Pacey Witter · Two Pair Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 69

dont know what i could have done diff here, $5.50 s&g i player raised preflop to 105 with bb still at 30, i called with aq as did 2 other players, then another player reraised to 360, i folded, as did 2 others & 1 guy called with rags, anyway the guy who reraised to 360 shows a10. Now i folded figuring he had at least pr of jacks or better, turns out the guy called & raised a lot with mediocre hands. his explanation for that reraise was that 3 of us just limped in & wanted to get more info. i explained to him that a reraise to almost 4x the bb & 3 callers is not limping in & he said it might as well have been a limp??? anyway, should i have stayed in the hand preflop with the aq offsuit? These are the kind of things im talking about, i know in cash games its good to have these types of players at your table cuz in the long run you will probably take a lot of their $, but in a s&g where u only get a set # of chips & u may not see many premium hands, how can u call in this situation with aq when u dont yet know that the reraiser plays very loose? Dont mean to ramble again its just frustrating when this happens cuz now the guy wins a huge pot & has a big advantage over everyone else at the table. So I guess my main question would be, while these people are beneficial to have at your table in a cash game wher over sev hours they may give it all & more back, is it really an advantage to have a player like this in your s&g where u only get so many chips & one wrong move can cost u your entire stack?

GTKID · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject:

If you never get bluffed to you're calling too much.

GripHoldOn · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:28 am Post subject: Re:

traumapoker · High Card Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 17 Location: GA

"You want to calling with the worst hand about as often"

You want to BE calling with the worst hand.....

but nonetheless...

The english lesson is not needed to start your post. You come across like a donkey......

GripHoldOn · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:19 am Post subject:

GTKID and I are friends, just playful and fun. Thanks though.

GTKID · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:12 am Post subject:

I fixed my horrendous mistake. I must now live in shame. haha donkey.

da boom · High Card Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 2

I see this all the time. These jokers always find a way to give all their chips away to a smart,patient player. What i do is fold and watch for my next opportunity to bust these guys. You'd be surprised how often it works.

GTKID · Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject:

Also you should have reraised with your AQ, if nothing else then for information. You'd be suprised how many times I reraise with AQ and make AK give up when the flop misses in limit. In nl you need to get information. Passively calling preflop, you have no information. You don't know if you want an ace to hit, or a queen to hit or if you are in big trouble and need to get out.

flafishy · Three of a Kind Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 77

Calling a big preflop raise with AQ, especially early in a tournament, is a recipe for disaster. Early in a tournament, you need to be observing to get a read on people and not playing coinflips.

It would be OK to reraise here if you want to establish a super-aggressive image. But I think the best thing here is to fold.

GTKID · Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:44 pm Post subject:

Yes folding is probably ussually better if the reraise will be a significant portion of your stack early in the tournament. I was merely advocating reraising over calling. If your going to play the hand give yourself the best chance to win it, not to see a flop and have no idea where you stand.

UrbanMeyer1 · Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject:

Post the HH instead!

iuz the old · Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject:

Thank you Urban you took the words right out of my mouth!!
What were the relative chip stacks of these players? what position did the first raise come from ? the reraise? The calibre of answers you get will be much better if you can provide more info.
For instance I dont call raises with AQ generally (fold/reraise depending on ....you guessed it .. info) and reraises almost never . Early on dont get involved with likely 2nd best hands esp if you are just calling as two people have defined their hand at this stage and you are not one of them. By defining their hand they will take it down on a flop that misses everyone as you can only play on with an Ace or Queen high flop and even then are you sure you want to?

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