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blkhwk67t
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 Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: A couple of hands from .05/.10 PL |
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Just getting back to cash games and breaking myself in w/ micro PL tables. I'm not really interested in the results of these hands. I am more interested in my play.
First hand. I have only been at the table for about 40 hands. Over all, table is weak, passive. The villian had just sat down and posted the hand prior, so I had no read on him.
Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
BTN: $5.35
Hero (SB): $9.95
BB: $6.70
UTG: $4.95
UTG+1: $7.20
UTG+2: $4.10
MP1: $3.85
Villain: $3.90
CO: $2.90
Pre-Flop: K K dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.10, MP1 folds, Villain calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, 3 folds, Villain calls $0.50
Flop: ($1.50) K Q T (2 Players)
Hero bets $1.50, Villain raises to $3.30 and is All-In
I just want to make sure that this is a auto call. I'm getting about 3.5 - 1 on my money to call and the only 2 hands that are beating me are AJ clubs and AJ offsuit and even then I am still @ 30 %.
Hand #2
I have no read on villain and the button was loose/passive, passive.
Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Villain: $9.80
Hero (BB): $8.25
UTG: $4.15
UTG+1: $2.40
MP1: $2.70
MP2: $10.30
CO: $4
BTN: $5.95
CO posts $0.10
Pre-Flop: 4 3 dealt to Hero (BB)
4 folds, CO checks, BTN calls $0.10, Villain raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.25, CO folds, BTN calls $0.25
Flop: ($1.15) 2 5 J (3 Players)
Villain bets $1.15
I had been folding alot in the small and big blind so I decided to see a flop w/ some low suited connectors w/ position on the raiser. Awesome flop for my hand and villain bets. Next move? |
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HuJwang
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Location: Halifax, NS
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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first hand is fine. snap call and expect to be ahead a large majority of the time.
second hand, fold preflop. if it had folded around to the villain and you think he can fold a hand postflop, i don't mind taking a flop here but the fact that there is two people left behind you gives you bad relative and absolute position. as played, raise to around 3.30 or something. the only hand you really don't want to see here is JhXh, and he just won't have that very often. |
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side_tracked
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| i agree with huj but on the second hand another reason that he is trying to say smoth call here is bad because your are going to get squeesed a lot i think and also have to hit the flop hard wich u did but now what are you going to rep only hands to rep are a draw or a jack so i think it would be easy to put u on a range of hands here but the villian hand is much less defined even with pos this is marginal but i do play it some time in very specific situations. |
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blkhwk67t
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
| second hand, fold preflop. if it had folded around to the villain and you think he can fold a hand postflop, i don't mind taking a flop here but the fact that there is two people left behind you gives you bad relative and absolute position. |
I called here because my read of the table being so passive. The only re-raising that I had seen up to this point was done by myself. The cutoff had just posted so I didn't think that he would re-raise there, maybe call but not re-raise. The button was very passive and would only re-raise w/ a very tiny range of hands. So this call was read dependent and I was pretty sold on my read. |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not really worried about being re-raised. It's just that you're kinda short and you won't have good position. Even if you hit a hand you're not guaranteed to be paid off (or have it hold up) every time. |
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bdbranch
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
first hand is fine. snap call and expect to be ahead a large majority of the time.
second hand, fold preflop. if it had folded around to the villain and you think he can fold a hand postflop, i don't mind taking a flop here but the fact that there is two people left behind you gives you bad relative and absolute position. as played, raise to around 3.30 or something. the only hand you really don't want to see here is JhXh, and he just won't have that very often. |
Disagree with 1 aspect. Second hand should not be a reraise postflop. It's only a call due to the straight and/or flush draws. By reraising, you are giving the villian every opportunity to get all of your chips in when your not the favourite. And you would have to call any allin in that situation.
Just call and then if you hit then it's good for you, you get his chips with less postflop equity. |
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Flying_Kiwi
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| bdbranch wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
first hand is fine. snap call and expect to be ahead a large majority of the time.
second hand, fold preflop. if it had folded around to the villain and you think he can fold a hand postflop, i don't mind taking a flop here but the fact that there is two people left behind you gives you bad relative and absolute position. as played, raise to around 3.30 or something. the only hand you really don't want to see here is JhXh, and he just won't have that very often. |
Disagree with 1 aspect. Second hand should not be a reraise postflop. It's only a call due to the straight and/or flush draws. By reraising, you are giving the villian every opportunity to get all of your chips in when your not the favourite. And you would have to call any allin in that situation.
Just call and then if you hit then it's good for you, you get his chips with less postflop equity. |
Please stop posting terrible advice in the strategy section. Welcome to my ignore list. |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Flying_Kiwi wrote: |
| bdbranch wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
first hand is fine. snap call and expect to be ahead a large majority of the time.
second hand, fold preflop. if it had folded around to the villain and you think he can fold a hand postflop, i don't mind taking a flop here but the fact that there is two people left behind you gives you bad relative and absolute position. as played, raise to around 3.30 or something. the only hand you really don't want to see here is JhXh, and he just won't have that very often. |
Disagree with 1 aspect. Second hand should not be a reraise postflop. It's only a call due to the straight and/or flush draws. By reraising, you are giving the villian every opportunity to get all of your chips in when your not the favourite. And you would have to call any allin in that situation.
Just call and then if you hit then it's good for you, you get his chips with less postflop equity. |
Please stop posting terrible advice in the strategy section. Welcome to my ignore list. |
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bdbranch
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Location: At home wdyt. Btw. I'm not opinionated all the time, umm can you be opinionated when you're asleep
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Flying_Kiwi wrote: |
| bdbranch wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
first hand is fine. snap call and expect to be ahead a large majority of the time.
second hand, fold preflop. if it had folded around to the villain and you think he can fold a hand postflop, i don't mind taking a flop here but the fact that there is two people left behind you gives you bad relative and absolute position. as played, raise to around 3.30 or something. the only hand you really don't want to see here is JhXh, and he just won't have that very often. |
Disagree with 1 aspect. Second hand should not be a reraise postflop. It's only a call due to the straight and/or flush draws. By reraising, you are giving the villian every opportunity to get all of your chips in when your not the favourite. And you would have to call any allin in that situation.
Just call and then if you hit then it's good for you, you get his chips with less postflop equity. |
Please stop posting terrible advice in the strategy section. Welcome to my ignore list. |
Why don't you say why it's poor advice if you believe it is? Is it because you don't actually have a reason? If you don't have a reason then you are a moron and if you do have a reason then you are a moron for not giving a reason. |
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bdbranch
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not really worried about being re-raised. It's just that you're kinda short and you won't have good position. Even if you hit a hand you're not guaranteed to be paid off (or have it hold up) every time. |
If you are saying that, then not only is your advice to reraise with just a draw absolutely wrong, but if this is your line of thinking then your advice should have been to fold. And you go calling other people names. |
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blkhwk67t
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Results for Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
BTN: $5.35
Hero (SB): $9.95
BB: $6.70
UTG: $4.95
UTG+1: $7.20
UTG+2: $4.10
MP1: $3.85
Villain: $3.90
CO: $2.90
Pre-Flop: K K dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.10, MP1 folds, Villain calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, 3 folds, Villain calls $0.50
Flop: ($1.50) K Q T (2 Players)
Hero bets $1.50, Villain raises to $3.30 and is All-In, Hero calls $1.80
Turn: ($8.10) 4 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
River: ($8.10) J (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: $8.10 Pot ($0.80 Rake)
Hero showed K K (three of a kind, Kings) and LOST (-$3.90 NET)
Villain showed A K (a straight, Ace high) and WON $7.30 (+$3.40 NET)
I ended up not winning but just wanted to ensure that the call was correct. I would have never put him on AK w/ him limping from middle position w/ it. |
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blkhwk67t
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Results for hand 2
Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Villain: $9.80
Hero (BB): $8.25
UTG: $4.15
UTG+1: $2.40
MP1: $2.70
MP2: $10.30
CO: $4
BTN: $5.95
CO posts $0.10
Pre-Flop: 4 3 dealt to Hero (BB)
4 folds, CO checks, BTN calls $0.10, Villain raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.25, CO folds, BTN calls $0.25
Flop: ($1.15) 2 5 J (3 Players)
Villain bets $1.15, Hero raises to $4.60, BTN folds, Villain raises to $8.05, Hero calls $3.30 and is All-In
Turn: ($16.95) A (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
River: ($16.95) 8 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: $16.95 Pot ($1.65 Rake)
Villain showed A A (three of a kind, Aces) and LOST (-$8.25 NET)
Hero showed 4 3 (a straight, Five high) and WON $15.30 (+$7.05 NET)
I understand what you are saying HuJ but I just think that at this level and with these players this is a ok spot for me to call the initial raise. Players will not release hands easily at this level. Most of the time it's a pretty sure bet that you are going to get paid off if you hit w/ suited connectors. Even if he deosnt have the big pair and has over cards(AK, AQ), I am still going to pick up his Cbet w/ my semi bluff. I dont know maybe I'm wrong. |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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I know that you're often going to get it in when you hit. But remember your chances of hitting various hands on the flop:
two pair: 2%
trips: 1.3%
straight: 1.0%
flush: 0.8%
boat/quads: 0.1%
two pair isn't even that strong since you can be counterfeited frequently. same goes for flushes if he has an overcard of the appropriate suit. and for any made hand, it's always possible he can hit a set and improve to a boat.
It's not the worst call in the world but given the circumstances (you haven't reloaded preflop, not great position) I just don't think the call will be profitable in the long run. |
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