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sixandfour · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:57 am Post subject:

Hand 7: At least 3/4 pot, as you can expect to get called light at this point and a heart isn't your favorite thing to see on the river. On a non heart river you'll make more money on the hands that do call your turn bet.

nilgiri · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:17 am Post subject:

LO, the reasoning about players yet to act makes sense. Can anyone else weigh in on the AK hand? I'd like to get some more opinions about it, particularly in regard to the pros and cons of 3-betting something like 3x as opposed to shoving.

Anyway, continuing on!

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HAND #7
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 15/30 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

napoli66 (UTG+1): 1,380
Wood16 (UTG+2): 1,425
Hero (MP1): 1,687
landocaly (MP2): 1,455
XBELLO (CO): 1,538
fladimiir (BTN): 1,875
Tyler AAAA (SB): 1,470
Mcclaud222 (BB): 1,410
Chouby75 (UTG): 1,260

Pre-Flop: (45) 4

6

dealt to Hero (MP1)
Chouby75 folds, napoli66 calls 30, Wood16 folds, Hero calls 30, landocaly folds, XBELLO calls 30, 2 folds, Mcclaud222 checks

Flop: (135) 7

K

T

(4 Players)
Mcclaud222 checks, napoli66 checks, Hero checks, XBELLO checks

Turn: (135) 2

(4 Players)
Mcclaud222 checks, napoli66 checks, Hero bets 80, 2 folds, napoli66 calls 80

River: (295) 4

(2 Players)
napoli66 checks, Hero ???

Now how much to value bet?

Badlydrawnboy · Flush Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 127

The pot is 295 now, if I calculated correctly.

I would be something like 100. Again, not scaring the other guy away. You probably have the best hand, but you want a call and some extra chips, and not a fold.

nilgiri · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject:

Well, I probably bet a bit too much to get many calls.

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HAND #7
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Pre-Flop: (45) 4

6

dealt to Hero (MP1)
Chouby75 folds, napoli66 calls 30, Wood16 folds, Hero calls 30, landocaly folds, XBELLO calls 30, 2 folds, Mcclaud222 checks

Flop: (135) 7

K

T

(4 Players)
Mcclaud222 checks, napoli66 checks, Hero checks, XBELLO checks

Turn: (135) 2

(4 Players)
Mcclaud222 checks, napoli66 checks, Hero bets 80, 2 folds, napoli66 calls 80

River: (295) 4

(2 Players)
napoli66 checks, Hero bets 200, napoli66 folds

Results: 295 Pot
Hero mucked 4

6

and WON 295 (+185 NET)

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HAND #8
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 15/30 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

napoli66 (UTG): 1,270
Wood16 (UTG+1): 1,425
Hero (UTG+2): 1,872
landocaly (MP1): 1,455
XBELLO (MP2): 1,508
fladimiir (CO): 1,875
Tyler AAAA (BTN): 1,455
Mcclaud222 (SB): 1,380
Chouby75 (BB): 1,260

Pre-Flop: (45) 3

9

dealt to Hero (UTG+2)
napoli66 calls 30, 2 folds, landocaly calls 30, 2 folds, Tyler AAAA calls 30, Mcclaud222 calls 15, Chouby75 checks

Flop: (150) A

Q

(5 Players)
Mcclaud222 bets 30, Chouby75 folds, napoli66 calls 30, landocaly calls 30, Tyler AAAA folds

Turn: (240) 4

(3 Players)
Mcclaud222 checks, napoli66 checks, landocaly bets 150, Mcclaud222 folds, napoli66 calls 150

River: (540) 6

(2 Players)
napoli66 checks, landocaly checks

Results: 540 Pot
napoli66 mucked 9

T

(a pair of Queens) and LOST (-210 NET)
landocaly showed T

A

(two pair, Aces and Queens) and WON 540 (+330 NET)

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HAND #9
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 20/40 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

napoli66 (BB): 1,060
Wood16 (UTG): 1,425
Hero (UTG+1): 1,872
landocaly (UTG+2): 1,785
XBELLO (MP1): 1,508
fladimiir (MP2): 1,875
Tyler AAAA (CO): 1,425
Mcclaud222 (BTN): 1,320
Chouby75 (SB): 1,230

Pre-Flop: (60) 4

Q

dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
3 folds, XBELLO raises to 100, 3 folds, Chouby75 calls 80, napoli66 calls 60

Flop: (300) 9

7

6

(3 Players)
Chouby75 checks, napoli66 checks, XBELLO bets 180, Chouby75 calls 180, napoli66 folds

Turn: (660) Q

(2 Players)
Chouby75 checks, XBELLO bets 250, Chouby75 calls 250

River: (1,160) 8

(2 Players)
Chouby75 bets 700 and is All-In, XBELLO folds

Results: 1,160 Pot
Chouby75 mucked and WON 1,160 (+630 NET)

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HAND #10
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 20/40 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

napoli66 (SB): 960
Wood16 (BB): 1,425
Hero (UTG): 1,872
landocaly (UTG+1): 1,785
XBELLO (UTG+2): 978
fladimiir (MP1): 1,875
Tyler AAAA (MP2): 1,425
Mcclaud222 (CO): 1,320
Chouby75 (BTN): 1,860

Pre-Flop: (60) 9

J

dealt to Hero (UTG)
3 folds, fladimiir raises to 140, 3 folds, napoli66 calls 120, Wood16 folds

Flop: (320) T

A

T

(2 Players)
napoli66 checks, fladimiir bets 240, napoli66 folds

Results: 320 Pot
fladimiir mucked and WON 320 (+180 NET)

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HAND #11
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 20/40 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

napoli66 (BTN): 820
Wood16 (SB): 1,385
Hero (BB): 1,872
landocaly (UTG): 1,785
XBELLO (UTG+1): 978
fladimiir (UTG+2): 2,055
Tyler AAAA (MP1): 1,425
Mcclaud222 (MP2): 1,320
Chouby75 (CO): 1,860

Pre-Flop: (60) 7

K

dealt to Hero (BB)
landocaly folds, XBELLO raises to 100, 5 folds, Wood16 raises to 1,385 and is All-In, Hero folds, XBELLO calls 878 and is All-In

Flop: (1,996) A

5

2

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (1,996) 2

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (1,996) Q

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 1,996 Pot
Wood16 showed J

J

(two pair, Jacks and Twos) and LOST (-978 NET)
XBELLO showed A

K

(two pair, Aces and Twos) and WON 1,996 (+1,018 NET)

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HAND #12
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 20/40 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

napoli66 (CO): 820
Wood16 (BTN): 407
Hero (SB): 1,832
landocaly (BB): 1,785
XBELLO (UTG): 1,996
fladimiir (UTG+1): 2,055
Tyler AAAA (UTG+2): 1,425
Mcclaud222 (MP1): 1,320
Chouby75 (MP2): 1,860

Pre-Flop: (60) 4

A

dealt to Hero (SB)
XBELLO folds, fladimiir calls 40, 6 folds, landocaly checks

Flop: (100) Q

J

8

(2 Players)
landocaly checks, fladimiir bets 100, landocaly folds

Results: 100 Pot
fladimiir mucked and WON 100 (+60 NET)

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HAND #13
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 20/40 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

napoli66 (MP2): 820
Wood16 (CO): 407
Hero (BTN): 1,812
landocaly (SB): 1,745
XBELLO (BB): 1,996
fladimiir (UTG): 2,115
Tyler AAAA (UTG+1): 1,425
Mcclaud222 (UTG+2): 1,320
Chouby75 (MP1): 1,860

Pre-Flop: (60) T

8

dealt to Hero (BTN)
4 folds, napoli66 calls 40, Wood16 folds, Hero ???

I haven't been very active recently. Now I'm on the button with one (shortstacked, LP) limper. What to do?

I skipped over the other hands, but is there any vote for something other than a fold for the A4o in SB? I almost always fold A-rag in SB/BB because playing OOP with a weak ace is not my idea of fun. But are there other opinions on this?

dcdoorknob · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject:

I don't see much value in getting invovled w/ the T8o here, I'd fold.

With A4, sometimes I complete, sometimes not, it depends on what kind of mood I'm in really, although I don't really like either option honestly.

Back to AK hand, I'm still not convinced you can realistically put a shover on a tight enough range to justify folding it after a 3 bet, but at the same time I am not looking to flip this early. I don't like the shove much either, you get called too often for my liking imo, and there isn't enough in the middle already to justify that. I'm still in the minority, but I still prefer flatting there, its really not a hard hand to play if you do, but 3-betting or pushing can get you into spots that I don't like to be this early when I think I have an edge on the field. If blinds were anything other than tiny I would have a different opinion.

Badlydrawnboy · Flush Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 127

I fold the T8o. Blinds are very low, no need to take risks.

nilgiri · Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I think flatting the AK might not be bad after all. I'm still not convinced about 3-betting and ending up with a big pot and a hand that has to hit to want to continue. I also think part of why AK is so powerful is because of PF FE, which I'm giving up by flatting.

Anyway, back to the T8 hand. I figure I've got position, and open limpers ought to be punished. Plus, open-limping shortstacks are usually pretty bad players, so even if he calls, I'm not too worried. So I raised it up. Didn't work out so well. Oh well.

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HAND #13
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Pre-Flop: (60) T

8

dealt to Hero (BTN)
4 folds, napoli66 calls 40, Wood16 folds, Hero raises to 175, 2 folds, napoli66 raises to 820 and is All-In, Hero folds

Results: 410 Pot
napoli66 mucked and WON 410 (+235 NET)

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HAND #14
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 20/40 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

napoli66 (MP1): 1,055
Wood16 (MP2): 407
Hero (CO): 1,637
landocaly (BTN): 1,725
XBELLO (SB): 1,956
fladimiir (BB): 2,115
Tyler AAAA (UTG): 1,425
Mcclaud222 (UTG+1): 1,320
Chouby75 (UTG+2): 1,860

Pre-Flop: (60) 7

3

dealt to Hero (CO)
3 folds, napoli66 calls 40, 4 folds, fladimiir checks

Flop: (100) 4

K

4

(2 Players)
fladimiir checks, napoli66 bets 200, fladimiir calls 200

Turn: (500) 5

(2 Players)
fladimiir checks, napoli66 bets 815 and is All-In, fladimiir calls 815

River: (2,130) 3

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 2,130 Pot
napoli66 showed K

Q

(two pair, Kings and Fours) and LOST (-1,055 NET)
fladimiir showed 8

4

(three of a kind, Fours) and WON 2,130 (+1,075 NET)

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HAND #15
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 20/40 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (MP1): 407
Hero (MP2): 1,637
landocaly (CO): 1,725
XBELLO (BTN): 1,936
fladimiir (SB): 3,190
Tyler AAAA (BB): 1,425
Mcclaud222 (UTG): 1,320
Chouby75 (UTG+1): 1,860

Pre-Flop: (60) 6

5

dealt to Hero (MP2)
6 folds, fladimiir calls 20, Tyler AAAA checks

Flop: (80) A

A

9

(2 Players)
fladimiir bets 80, Tyler AAAA folds

Results: 80 Pot
fladimiir mucked and WON 80 (+40 NET)

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HAND #16
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 25/50 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (UTG+1): 407
Hero (MP1): 1,637
landocaly (MP2): 1,725
XBELLO (CO): 1,936
fladimiir (BTN): 3,230
Tyler AAAA (SB): 1,385
Mcclaud222 (BB): 1,320
Chouby75 (UTG): 1,860

Pre-Flop: (75) A

5

dealt to Hero (MP1)
2 folds, Hero ???

A5o sucks, I am not in a great position, but on the other hand people have shown a tendency to limp or fold PF. Seems like a fairly scared table. I could limp this or raise it. Should I?

Badlydrawnboy · Flush Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 127

Badlydrawnboy · Flush Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 127

About the A5o hand: fold it.

I know you said you're trying to be more LAG, but do it at the right moment, not now at a full table.

dcdoorknob · Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject:

Punish open limpers when the time is right, sure, but T8o with 20/40 blinds doesn't qualify imo. Make the same move when the limper has 1200 and limps in for 100 (which many will still do), then the payoff is more reasonable. Trying this hard to outplay the bad opponents this early can easily blow up on you imo.

MP1 with A5o seems like a pretty standard fold as well. What are we going for here, stealing the 60 in blinds? Raises aren't stealing blinds either. Hand 6, raiser gets reraised, Hand 9, raiser got 2 callers, Hand 10, 1 caller, hand 11, raiser got shoved on behind. I disagree with your assessment of the limp or fold table, there is limping but when there is a prelfop raise they are seeing plenty of action. Fold it.

nilgiri · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:01 am Post subject:

Yeah, I probably should have folded it. As you can see, I think I'm playing a little too crazily. Getting that feedback is one reason why I'm posting! (Although the blinds are 75, not 60...) Anyway, continuing on. I promise I start playing better! Smile

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HAND #16
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Pre-Flop: (75) A

5

dealt to Hero (MP1)
2 folds, Hero raises to 150, 5 folds

Results: 125 Pot
Hero mucked A

5

and WON 125 (+75 NET)

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HAND #17
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 25/50 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (UTG): 407
Hero (UTG+1): 1,712
landocaly (MP1): 1,725
XBELLO (MP2): 1,936
fladimiir (CO): 3,230
Tyler AAAA (BTN): 1,360
Mcclaud222 (SB): 1,270
Chouby75 (BB): 1,860

Pre-Flop: (75) K

5

dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
Wood16 calls 50, 5 folds, Mcclaud222 calls 25, Chouby75 checks

Flop: (150) 3

7

K

(3 Players)
Mcclaud222 checks, Chouby75 checks, Wood16 checks

Turn: (150) Q

(3 Players)
Mcclaud222 bets 50, Chouby75 folds, Wood16 calls 50

River: (250) 2

(2 Players)
Mcclaud222 bets 50, Wood16 raises to 100, Mcclaud222 calls 50

Results: 450 Pot
Wood16 showed 7

7

(three of a kind, Sevens) and WON 450 (+250 NET)
Mcclaud222 mucked Q

4

(a pair of Queens) and LOST (-200 NET)

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HAND #18
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 25/50 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (BB): 657
Hero (UTG): 1,712
landocaly (UTG+1): 1,725
XBELLO (MP1): 1,936
fladimiir (MP2): 3,230
Tyler AAAA (CO): 1,360
Mcclaud222 (BTN): 1,070
Chouby75 (SB): 1,810

Pre-Flop: (75) 9

5

dealt to Hero (UTG)
3 folds, fladimiir raises to 100, 2 folds, Chouby75 calls 75, Wood16 calls 50

Flop: (300) 4

7

T

(3 Players)
Chouby75 checks, Wood16 checks, fladimiir bets 450, Chouby75 calls 450, Wood16 folds

Turn: (1,200) 2

(2 Players)
Chouby75 checks, fladimiir checks

River: (1,200) A

(2 Players)
Chouby75 bets 1,260 and is All-In, fladimiir folds

Results: 1,200 Pot
Chouby75 mucked and WON 1,200 (+650 NET)

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HAND #19
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 25/50 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (SB): 557
Hero (BB): 1,712
landocaly (UTG): 1,725
XBELLO (UTG+1): 1,936
fladimiir (MP1): 2,680
Tyler AAAA (MP2): 1,360
Mcclaud222 (CO): 1,070
Chouby75 (BTN): 2,460

Pre-Flop: (75) T

4

dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, fladimiir calls 50, Tyler AAAA folds, Mcclaud222 calls 50, Chouby75 folds, Wood16 calls 25, Hero checks

Flop: (200) 5

K

9

(4 Players)
Wood16 checks, Hero checks, fladimiir bets 200, Mcclaud222 folds, Wood16 raises to 507 and is All-In, Hero folds, fladimiir calls 307

Turn: (1,214) K

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (1,214) 3

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 1,214 Pot
Wood16 showed 2

K

(three of a kind, Kings) and WON 1,214 (+657 NET)
fladimiir showed 8

9

(two pair, Kings and Nines) and LOST (-557 NET)

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HAND #20
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 25/50 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (BTN): 1,214
Hero (SB): 1,662
landocaly (BB): 1,725
XBELLO (UTG): 1,936
fladimiir (UTG+1): 2,123
Tyler AAAA (MP1): 1,360
Mcclaud222 (MP2): 1,020
Chouby75 (CO): 2,460

Pre-Flop: (75) 2

A

dealt to Hero (SB)
6 folds, Hero ???

Should I steal his blind with A2o?

Badlydrawnboy · Flush Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 127

I think this is a matter of preference. His blind is only 50, I would simply fold but you could try to steal as well I guess. It won't make much difference for your eventual tournament result, I think.

nilgiri · Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject:

I stole it.

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HAND #20
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Pre-Flop: (75) 2

A

dealt to Hero (SB)
6 folds, Hero raises to 150, landocaly folds

Results: 100 Pot
Hero mucked 2

A

and WON 100 (+50 NET)

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HAND #21
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 25/50 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (CO): 1,214
Hero (BTN): 1,712
landocaly (SB): 1,675
XBELLO (BB): 1,936
fladimiir (UTG): 2,123
Tyler AAAA (UTG+1): 1,360
Mcclaud222 (MP1): 1,020
Chouby75 (MP2): 2,460

Pre-Flop: (75) 8

Q

dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, Chouby75 raises to 150, 4 folds

Results: 125 Pot
Chouby75 mucked and WON 125 (+75 NET)

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HAND #22
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 25/50 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (MP2): 1,214
Hero (CO): 1,712
landocaly (BTN): 1,650
XBELLO (SB): 1,886
fladimiir (BB): 2,123
Tyler AAAA (UTG): 1,360
Mcclaud222 (UTG+1): 1,020
Chouby75 (MP1): 2,535

Pre-Flop: (75) A

9

dealt to Hero (CO)
Tyler AAAA folds, Mcclaud222 calls 50, Chouby75 folds, Wood16 calls 50, Hero ???

Do I want to play this? If so, should I raise or limp? I'd fold this to a raise, but is folding it because of some limpers too weak?

dcdoorknob · Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject:

well it really doesn't play well multi-way post flop, so I don't see any problem with folding. I'll occasionally limp here if I feel the table is especially spewy, but even then its hard to cash in on that with a hand like this. I also think a raise is too likely to get called for my taste.

Badlydrawnboy · Flush Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 127

I would call this if I have a good read on the table. However, it's still a marginal hand. You need a good flop to continue playing. If you're insisting on playing LAG, I would call (since there was only one limper) and then check-fold if you miss. If I'm in a tight mood, I would fold.

I can only see the HH's here, but it feels like I would call just for the heck of it. Hoping for a AJ9 flop and someone who goes crazy with his AQ. Laughing

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