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Honest_Rob
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 Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: KK UTG (line check) |
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Should I have raised to 8xBB?  Readless.
Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
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CO: $25.25
BTN: $25.80
SB: $32.15
BB: $29.90
Hero (UTG): $31.20
UTG+1: $29.55
UTG+2: $11.05
MP1: $10.15
MP2: $16
Pre-Flop: K K dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 3 folds, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, 2 folds
Flop: ($4.35) 9 J 9 (4 Players)
Hero bets $3.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.50
Turn: ($11.35) 4 (2 Players)
Hero bets $7, BTN calls $7
River: ($25.35) 8 (2 Players)
Hero bets $14.30, BTN calls $14.30 and is All-In |
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GoldenDomer9
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm fine with it, personally. You'll be beat by some 9 10's, A9's or J10's sometimes, but you'll also be up against a weak-tight non believer with AJ and KJ too. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I think this is fine but the river feels a bit awkward to me. Since the stacks are what they are and the 8 hit basically all straight draws in some way I'm inclined to just shove like you did. If the river was a blank and stacks were slightly bigger I think a c/c is way better though. There just aren't very many hands that can call your shove and without an 8 hitting there's a lot more no pair hands that will make a desperation shove if you check. |
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bdbranch
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, I believe that your preflop raise was too small. |
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mistaken69
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, I believe that your preflop raise was too small. |
well you would be wrong. i agree about c/cing river when he's got a bigger stack. It allows him to bluff all sorts of random floats if he's an idiot and more importantly missed draws. Seems standard given stack sizes. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies.
[rigged-rant]I've lost with KK all 5 times I've had it today and 4/5 I got stacked or almost stacked. The last time an Ace flopped. I've never been so happy to see an Ace flop when I had KK. I knew I'd get away cheap and sure enough he raised my c-bet.[/rigged-rant]
This one did seem pretty standard to me but I just wanted to get feedback in case I'm losing my mind. Villain had JJ. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| bdbranch wrote: |
| Yes, I believe that your preflop raise was too small. |
If I raised more preflop do you think he would have folded JJ? |
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bdbranch
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| mistaken69 wrote: |
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| Yes, I believe that your preflop raise was too small. |
well you would be wrong. i agree about c/cing river when he's got a bigger stack. It allows him to bluff all sorts of random floats if he's an idiot and more importantly missed draws. Seems standard given stack sizes. |
So lets see, Riddim says to shove the river, you are clearly looking to at least call any raise (if not reraise), yet you advocate a small raise and giving rubbish plenty of opportunity to hit, big. Sorry but your going to lose big dollars playing like that. |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry but your going to lose big dollars playing like that. |
Still tearing up those freerolls? |
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CompleteDonk
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| Sorry but your going to lose big dollars playing like that. |
Still tearing up those freerolls? |
LDO |
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bdbranch
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| bdbranch wrote: |
| Sorry but your going to lose big dollars playing like that. |
Still tearing up those freerolls? |
Play at UB or AB then and see what I'm doing. |
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CompleteDonk
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| bdbranch wrote: |
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| Sorry but your going to lose big dollars playing like that. |
Still tearing up those freerolls? |
Play at UB or AB then and see what I'm doing. |
Anybody who plays at AP or UB is a complete retard. |
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bdbranch
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| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| bdbranch wrote: |
| Yes, I believe that your preflop raise was too small. |
If I raised more preflop do you think he would have folded JJ? |
In this case no, but you would have made him pay more for the possibility of hitting. |
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bdbranch
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| CompleteDonk wrote: |
| bdbranch wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
| bdbranch wrote: |
| Sorry but your going to lose big dollars playing like that. |
Still tearing up those freerolls? |
Play at UB or AB then and see what I'm doing. |
Anybody who plays at AP or UB is a complete retard. |
Ummm. Interesting that when stupid people can't find anything constructive to play, they resort to childish flaming as their argument.
Btw, I've included the item below that Donk & HuJwang has taken offense to.
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| bdbranch wrote: |
| Yes, I believe that your preflop raise was too small. |
well you would be wrong. i agree about c/cing river when he's got a bigger stack. It allows him to bluff all sorts of random floats if he's an idiot and more importantly missed draws. Seems standard given stack sizes. |
So lets see, Riddim says to shove the river, you are clearly looking to at least call any raise (if not reraise), yet you advocate a small raise and giving rubbish plenty of opportunity to hit, big. Sorry but your going to lose big dollars playing like that. |
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Peepers_au
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| I'm fine with it, personally. You'll be beat by some 9 10's, A9's or J10's sometimes, but you'll also be up against a weak-tight non believer with AJ and KJ too. |
JT doesn't beat him. That gives the villain JJ99 to Rob's KK99.
While it's a fairly outside chance, QcTc is surely in the villain's range here. |
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