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cjavdani
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 Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: NL50 JJ vs 4bet Preflop |
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
CO: $92.25
BTN: $54.25
SB: $162.05
BB: $277.50
UTG: $106.30
Hero (UTG+1): $50.15
UTG+2: $111.05
MP1: $53.95
MP2: $106
Pre-Flop: J J dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, 7 folds, UTG raises to $13, Hero thinks of Little Green Book.
What's the play? |
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HuJwang
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| Fold. I'd probably also just flat call pre, though I don't know how FR 50NL games play so that may be wrong. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with HuJwang. Fold. Unless you're up against a real LAG it's just one of those situations where almost their whole range has you pretty much crushed. What do we expect villain to be 4 betting with here? Maybe TT+, AK. Often times against decent opponents we can change that up to JJ+ or QQ+, AK. So three hands have you crushed. One is a coinflip and the other is a split and we have 0 fold equity. Of course we have to consider sometimes it's a bluff but I don't think it's often enough to really come close to justify continuing with the hand.
I usually play 25NL Full ring and I think I would go ahead and 3 bet JJ in this spot at those games. An UTG raise just isn't always that strong and you will get called with worse often. Now once he 4 bets that's different obviously. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Fold. I'd probably also just flat call pre, though I don't know how FR 50NL games play so that may be wrong. |
This, except I really doubt that 3-betting is good here despite never having played in these games. |
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CompleteDonk
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Just flat pre, 3-Betting JJ from a UTG Raiser in a FR game is bad imo. I'd probably 3-Bet QQ+ and I'm not completely sure what I'd do with AK, probably 3-Bet though. I'm rusty on my FR game.
Now that you 3-Bet, this is an easy fold. He has AK+ QQ+. |
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