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Honest_Rob · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: HU NLHE (line check)

This is a hand from the forum FTOPS HU shootout. This is the final table. It's early in the match, second blind level. Villain has been pretty aggressive both preflop and postflop, regularly 3 betting and check raising. I've managed to build a nice chiplead by playing back at him a couple times and by flopping a couple of good hands that he paid off. He had limped on the button several times at this point. The only limped hand that I remember seeing was 2h 6h. Thoughts on this hand?

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds, 2 Players
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SB: 8,191
Hero (BB): 15,809

Pre-Flop: (150) A Spade

7

dealt to Hero (BB)
SB calls 50, Hero checks

Flop: (200) 2 Heart

3

A

(2 Players)
Hero bets 200, SB raises to 700, Hero calls 500

Turn: (1,600) 5 Heart

(2 Players)
Hero checks, SB bets 900, Hero calls 900

River: (3,400) 8 Club

(2 Players)
Hero checks, SB bets 2,800, Hero calls 2,800

StevieWard · Message Board Junkie Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 1412

I'd prob just fold....he could easily have a 4, a 2 pair like A8 or an Ace with higher kicker.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1919

First, who is it? If its a forum event, then who it is matters since most of us know a little bit about each other.

On the flop, I would prefer ck/c as opposed to betting. When most people limp, I think that they intend on stealing when you check. So betting gets no value out of their air hands. Also, what are trying to get called by when you bet? A pair of 2 or 3's would likely just give up or only call one bet. There are really no big draws to worry about, except inside straight draws. The only hands you can get value from are A4-A6.

Since there are so few hands you can get value from by betting, I'd prefer ck/c and making money from when he bluffs or when he bets out 2x/3x. I'd say that most opponents will bluff at some point in the hand if you just check. Also, when you bet out, you are basically not going to be comfortable getting it in and sometimes not comfortable with betting on multiple streets against his calling range, so its better to just not even bet out there. Its kind of a pot control play, which is more important since its a tournament format, but it is also more of a value play against his ranges.

Also, how have you been playing in pots like this? When he limps, do you bet out only when you hit or do you bluff? I think this is pretty important too. If there's not much history, I'd fold the flop as played. He could be bluffing, but if you are wrong, you are getting terrible reverse implied odds and could lose a signicifant portion of your stack.

Honest_Rob · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject:

He's an unknown.

He's been regularly raising the flop so I'm not too worried about his raise. I just led because he'd shown a pretty big reluctance to give up on hands cheaply and I thought I had a good chance of a call or raise even with nothing.

His impression of me would be that I was playing pretty solid and not bluffing too much. Of the few hands we showed down where there was betting I had at least something. It was still early in the match. This is probably about hand 20. He has been really aggressive so far so I'm really confident my A is good on the flop because he had already raised the flop several times and at least one of them was a bluff.

Riddim · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject:

I think this is almost always a nuts/air type spot where he either has the straight or a worse hand, so I don't feel like you need to worry about two pair and stuff all that much. Given your read it seems like he's bluffing a bit too much so it's probably a call.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1919

Well, if you read is that your A is almost always good here, then you have to go with your read.

Honest_Rob · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject:

So given that is calling down all streets also correct or do we ever get to a point on this board where we might consider folding?

Riddim · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject:

Honest_Rob · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject:

FWIW He had 84o and I lost. Crying or Very sad

Riddim · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject:

byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2180

is there any room for a possible 3bet on the flop? just wondering since most were saying that his A was good, then likely he had the best hand from the beginning. i'm trying not to be results oriented, but even knowing the outcome, isn't the villains range saying he either has the nuts or air, by limping then raising on the flop based on Rob's read?

Honest_Rob · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject:

kazor · Royal Flush Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 565

It sounds like you put him on a weak hand when he limps, and he raises light. When he makes it 700 there, if you think your good, id put in a big reraise. Only hand I would think he might have to have you beat is 2 3 based upon your info. You cant worry about it, my opinion, big reraise.

HuJwang · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject:

3-betting this flop would be very bad. You'd be completely turning your hand into a bluff. The villain can't really have more than 4-5 outs except if he has some weird pair+gutshot hand, and even then it's not exactly a monster draw. Calling and re-evaluating the turn is definitely the best play here vs. an aggressive villain.

kazor · Royal Flush Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 565

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