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californiachamp · Banned Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 394

hi josh, yes i agree, i come off sometimes brash, you dont know my history in business and why i act the way i do.....but communication is key when trying to improve anything..

and i thought i had an idea that could help because there is no thread saying who is who, who you can trust, who not to, i had to learn this 2 weeks ago but then we have a guy who just assumes we all should know who has been trading for years.....2 weeks ago, i knew NOBODY that traded and now i know more then i did....

so if this was all public information and known names, like a network, yes it would solve alot of headache for everybody and then i get two people because they have been forumers for years, great, all the power to them that is how they spend their time, i dont...i go to the poker tables, not forums, so i wouldnt know the whats up always...

they shoot me down immediately with my idea .......but i sure as hell dont see any of them proposing good idea's to improve things.....they just sit and argue non stop.

problem is, when your dealing with people who have used forums for years, they are sooooooo freakin egotistical which is why i dont conversate with them .........you say anything that questions their wisdom and boom, is what happened with njhoney, she cursed and attacked me for no provocation at all.............

i just take this to the poker tables and take their money but i guess now that we are all in this same boat to deal with this problem, i truly thought i was helping with this idea....

pmarrsouth · Royal Flush Joined: 04 Jan 2008 Posts: 646

californiachamp · Banned Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 394

lol you just said no to not owning a merchant account, then a few questions down, you said yes you have owned websites with merchant accounts associated, make up your mind.

ok enlighten me plz....educate me on something i am not aware of so just maybe you could be of benefit to me in future endeavors in trading other than just being an argumentative little donkey.

when somebody sets up epassporte, they are required to register a bank account and have access of course to that bank account.

now sure somebody COULD thru identify theft gain access to somebodys account or meddle with it, but lets say hypothetically somebody set up an account, typed in the bank information, routing #, account #, then epassporte sends those 2 deposits to validate the account.

that alone takes a week or two...so your assuming the proper registered bank account holder doesnt check their account for 2 weeks to catch this fraudulent deposit..

ok, now lets jump ahead....lets say the account gets validated FRAUDULENTLY, then that person has to be able to load the account with the same exact person they just duped, right? of course, the ONLY way you can load that account is a credit card in that persons name which again that criminal would have to have and two weeks later, then that criminal would have to deposit funds from the same person they just duped from their card (that makes no sense either)...

SO hypothetically lets say both those steps somehow magically still worked and got funds in the account, your talking weeks have gone by, a person would have to be gone thru identify theft for this to occur and then this same culprit would have go to to a poker forum and advertise their IP address and an account they have registered with a poker site just to what, scam somebody out of a small amount of money? lollolololo

see the logic here???????? absurd.......that is how fraud could occur with epassporte....if some other way, you please explain with some intelligence and not your smart ass comebacks your already throwing at me.

again you want to help people, then speak with credible intelligent statements and not just "trying to sound important"

with what i just said, i will take my chances then on epassporte trades as the above scenario occuring would be like next to impossible.

in fact, i bet if i called epassporte and spoke to them and asked hey how many fraudulent accounts occur with members, i bet they say less than 1%.....if any...

GG SIR

joshlive9 · Banned Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 230

I think it could work, the list just has to be very exclusive. I've only been here for a week or two, but I would feel perfectly comfortable trading with about 5-6 people on here. The reason I feel comfortable is I've done my research on all of them, already had successful trades with a few of them, seen how there past trades were operated, and followed Clamper's advice.

These are people I would have no problem sending money to first, and I would not be worried for a second about getting scammed. The list would indeed have to be very very small (only those Clamper holds in very high regard), but it would still help in generating interest and helping with safety concerns.

As for the who would be responsible if something was to go wrong? Absolutely nobody. This is the nature of the beast. People have to understand that nothing is for sure on here. By trading their funds and not waiting for cashouts, they are automatically assuming the risk of being scammed.

The best that any of us can do is take the time to research traders and only trade with those who have established trading histories. Even with that, there is still risk, but it is a risk that by agreeing to trade, we are accepting. So, nobody would be to blame. It would just result in the removal of the name from the list. But I'm not talking about a list with 100 names on it. I'm talking about a list of like 5-10 ppl tops that Clamper would vouch for. New people would not be added to the list unless Clamper and other veterans feel that they have done enough to warrant it (which in my opinion would have to be a long and flawless history trading.)

I think it could work....more input is welcome...

californiachamp · Banned Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 394

we can talk about risk all day and who to trust, etc...

But it comes down to what the heck is the alternative???????

NOTHING as I see it.....I am looking for the fastest most effecient method of seeing my money after winning and this is it.

I have several checks that i have approved and cleared going on 1 month now...yes almost a month and no money.......So should i just sit here and get soooooo overly paranoid about being scammed, is the money fraudulent, yadda yadda when heck i have not seen ONE PENNY yet from full tilt in a month? i have now seen funds in my hands from these trading transactions, yes real money in my hands now through my epassporte atm card so this does work.....

so until i start to see checks show up and actual money off the site, this is it, the ONLY way i can get my money off here and the risk warrants these moves as without doing this, none of us truly know when we will see our money off these gambling sites....

with this said, WHY THE HECK IS EVERYBODY ARGUING, GETTING ANAL OVER THIS, BICKERING....we are all in the same boat here....

so chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill

pmarrsouth · Royal Flush Joined: 04 Jan 2008 Posts: 646

californiachamp · Banned Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 394

aawww how cute, your still TRYING your best to make me look uneducated...how cute!!!!!! no serious, very charming dude.....

too bad you probably dont play poker this good as your debating skills cause if so, i love good competition, how about we play a heads up match for lets say 1,000? or 500? no limit? omaha? you obviously think your the greatest most intelligent baller, so lets put aside the debate skills and test our poker skills...for higher money than i normally play right now....i will make a special deposit JUST FOR YOU to play you heads up.....

better yet, on stars, they have a heads up match for 5,500...i will make the deposit and we can play......

saying i am not even smart enough to use the search function and i am amazed that you even are able to speak so highly of how fraud works.......i know it occurs and criminals have their tricks but USUALLY in life, when somebody is so wise in these doings, it is usually because they are up to no good themselves but hey i wont pass judgement on you.....cause your a 6 figure income earner...lollololololol

so what do you say big guy...5,500? heads up? 1,100?

pmarrsouth · Royal Flush Joined: 04 Jan 2008 Posts: 646

oyster shooter · Banned Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 3

californiachamp · Banned Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 394

hahahahah Ok this is the best part of this...

I have been arguing with you for an hour now, and your certainly trying your best to make me look like a donkey dude and your the old wise poker guy here.......

just like i assumed but had to check...dude, have you seen your sharkscope #"s???????????

You say you have been around for years, trading ALOT, dude, your a losing player....you have a terrible ROI% , your in the negative for profit in sit n go'es.........YOU LOSE!

I have wondered that ever since i came across poker forums...why is it players who NEVER win at the game feel so compelled to argue with winning players........and constantly prove they know more on the subject at hand.

You might very well pmarrsouth be a successful businessman but we are discussing poker right now and you not only lose constantly but most of your motive here is NOT TO HELP newbies except to take up space in the forum today arguing and making irrational statements that hold no water in what we are talking about....

So what is your point in all this? just like i said, if you spent this much energy reading a book on poker, or better yet, asking me advice how to play a sit n go , getting to know me, you might actually turn into a winning player but your too arrogant for your own good and your only purpose i guess here is to try and feel important because when you go sit on a poker table, you lose.

i am done arguing with you.......go argue with somebody else....

pmarrsouth · Royal Flush Joined: 04 Jan 2008 Posts: 646

kennyskywalker · Four of a Kind Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 320

I tried to do a trade for Epassporte with abominable and this was the message I got from him, "I can appreciate that. But I can't trade with you, for the risk of chargeback monies, if you loaded with a credit card. So I can't trade with you, because the account is just too new. So the one guy on here that's willing to trade Epassporte I can't get a trade with cause I didn't post on this forum until Epassporte went down cause I had no need to post on this forum cause I had an Epassporte debit card. Well hopefully I'll never have to post again if what a FullTilt employee said on 2+2 which was that EFT's were sent out on Monday and they will arrive in 2 or 3 business days.

californiachamp · Banned Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 394

HI kenny, lol see i agree, this whole thing is a freakin mess..your having really bad luck dude.......

What i find to be the most strange about these discussions and why i was fed up and done arguing with pmarrsouth, is all these people who are so paranoid for little or no reason at all.

I dont think they truly understand chargebacks. if you contact your bank or credit card to initiate a chargeback, they are ONLY going to potentially do the chargeback or even look into it if you say and let them know that you did not authorize the charge......which is an outright lie then if you truly did make a deposit on the poker site.......

so lets say you did lie right to the credit card company so you can try and maybe get your deposit back? ok fair enough.

then the credit card company would initiate their work on their end, contact the vendor, in this case, full tilt and find out about the transaction, how it occurred and verify in fact the transaction was fraudulent or by the person who truly owned the credit card.

So one of two things would occur, the bank will find out from the poker site that in fact, the charge was legit because if the poker player admits to the poker site, no that is not me, then their account will most likely be shut down for being a fraudulent account as is and if the poker player is honest, then the credit card will never do a chargeback.

2nd, how would anybody even know anybody how you funded your account?????? IMPOSSIBLE unless you told them...You could send a western union, a credit card, even a player to player transfer...many ways so how would anybody ever know what your deposit method is to question whether your money is safe?

everybody is being TOO paranoid and really for little reason......yes fraud occurs, yes internet scams exist, yes identify theft is out there but there are so many safeguards in place to protect customers that you can usually smell bad money or fraud a mile away and if you cant, then even using a little common sense will detect the rest.

so if your not even being trusted now kenny about if your money is legit....you have some really bad karma dude lol

kennyskywalker · Four of a Kind Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 320

I know that's why I go beserk. I've been playing for 20 years and players get less and less honorable every year especially since the internet took off.
People always talk about doing transactions with a moderator. Well I ask all the time for a moderator, I'll even throw him some money and trade first for Epassporte and still have people questioning me and not trading. Also I play everyday on the site, and get questioned by people that don't even play. Doesn't having $300 dollars in front of you and wanting to transfer $100 prove something? Unlike these people that have never sat at a real money table and "say" they have Epassporte when everyone knows it can't be verified?

CalChamp I've actually played against you on sites for years, Party, I believe UB, and I wish we both weren't looking for the same thing(Epassporte) cause we could trade honorably everyday.

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