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nowan · Royal Flush Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 537

I'm OK with my PF through turn play here (perhaps a bigger turn bet now that look at it) but not sure about the river. Note that while I'm slightly short stacked (80 BB), I'm actually deep relative to my BR. I buy in at $12.50 and leave the table when I reach $25.

I didn't post my river actions so you guys can be unbiased.

Feel free to comment on earlier streets too.

Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players

MP3: $5 (20 bb)
CO: $15.85 (63.4 bb)
BTN: $20.15 (80.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $20.55 (82.2 bb)
BB: $4.40 (17.6 bb)
UTG+2: $28.50 (114 bb)
MP1: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
MP2: $25.30 (101.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with A

K

UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 raises to $1.25, 4 folds, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, MP1 calls $1.75

Flop: ($6.50) 8

K

A

(2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP1 calls $4

Turn: ($14.50) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP1 calls $6

River: ($26.50) 8

(2 players)
Hero...

Honest_Rob · Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject:

I'd raise more preflop. More like $4.

Flop bet is fine. Could be a little more but I think $4-$5 is fine.

Turn definitely bet more. Really with how much is left in your stack you should just push the turn.

As played all in on the river.

CompleteDonk · Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject:

mistaken69 · Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject:

rebuy preflop.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1759

Raise more preflop. The standard is probably pot+1BB since you are OOP. As played OTF, I bet $5 on the flop to make a shove a little easier on the turn. As played OTT, I would just shove. As played OTR, I can't put the villian on a set as I think he would have raised either the flop or turn. So you question is how to get the most value. I think he checks most worst aces behind and whether or not he shoves a missed draw for 1/4 the pot depends on the opponent and how bad he is, but I'd say that most would just check behind. So I shove the river as played to get max value from his range.

nowan · Royal Flush Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 537

Thanks for the feedback. I have to agree with you all. Bigger bets would have probably been better all around.

I checked the river for 2 reasons. The only legitimate hands I put him on were an AK for a tie or a flush draw (maybe with a gut shot to boost). I figured if he has AK he probably pushes behind and we split but if he's on a draw,he won't pay off a push but given the size of the pot,he just might bluff his busted draw.

Turns out he had a weaker ace and pushed anyway. I couldn't put him on a set or a str8 so I called pretty quick. Good result but again I agree betting more would have achieved the same results on the turn which would have made my life a bit easier.

Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players

MP3: $5 (20 bb)
CO: $15.85 (63.4 bb)
BTN: $20.15 (80.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $20.55 (82.2 bb)
BB: $4.40 (17.6 bb)
UTG+2: $28.50 (114 bb)
MP1: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
MP2: $25.30 (101.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with A

K

UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 raises to $1.25, 4 folds, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, MP1 calls $1.75

Flop: ($6.50) 8

K

A

(2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP1 calls $4

Turn: ($14.50) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP1 calls $6

River: ($26.50) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $12.35 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.55 and is all-in

Results: $41.60 pot ($2.05 rake)
MP1 showed Q

A

(two pairs, Aces and Eights) and lost (-$20.55 net)
Hero showed A

K

(two pairs, Aces and Kings) and won $39.55 ($19.00 net)

Riddim · Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject:

I agree about raising more PF, probably bet like 4.5 on the flop and shove turn. As played I definitely shove river. It's hard for him to have a flush draw here and you really don't want to give him a chance to check back a worse ace.

bxball · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject:

i would've made it something in the $4-$5 range preflop

the bet on the flop was exactly what i would've made. betting roughly 2/3 of the pot on the flop is never a bad idea regardless of your holdings/board

the bet on the turn simply isn't enough. even if you put your opponent on a hand like A-Q and are trying to get value out of your hand, he's going to call $10 if he can call $6.

the real problem with the turn bet is that you have no idea if he's playing a flush draw, a hand like A-10, or if he's trapping you with a set of 8s (which the turn in this case will help rule out).

knowing nothing about this player, i'd say he probably had A-Q? that 8ball on the river probably got you paid off?

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