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fire_eyes_2k · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: LHE Tourney Hand for review

An interesting hand from the Final Table of the 3k LHE donkament...SB is a decent player, not great but not bad either. Do you value bet this river? If so, how do you react to a raise? The rest of the hand is pretty textbook IMO.

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BB: 77,069
UTG: 35,330
Hero (BTN): 47,376
SB: 68,225

Pre-Flop: (3,750) 7

6

dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, Hero raises to 5,000, SB calls 3,750, BB calls 2,500

Flop: (15,000) 7

8

5

(3 Players)
SB bets 2,500, BB calls 2,500, Hero raises to 5,000, SB calls 2,500, BB folds

Turn: (27,500) T

(2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (27,500) 6

(2 Players)
SB checks, Hero ????

griffinlord · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject:

Talk about player dependent!

Okay, I'm strictly a cash game player and I would bet/call this on the river in a cash game. If they had some sort of a Q9 or A9 hand and hit the straight they get paid off. But, absent any other info, I'm thinking SB is on a single pair or a busted draw.

If he calls with a worse hand you gain some much needed chips and further diminish his chip stack. If he raises I think there is a reasonable chance he is bluffing and you'll be down to about 5bb if he has a better made hand.

With the big stack at 15.5bb I think you can still come back from 5bb if you are beat and manage to catch a hand. Saving the two bb by checking doesn't dramatically improve your chip stack if you lose, but picking up another bb with a worse hand calling moves you to tied with the big stack.

I don't think a check is awful. You move up a little bit with a win, avoid risking a payoff to a better hand that raises. But it just feels weak against a player who's checked both turn and river--unless in addition to being okay he's tricky.

If SB is a tricky player that likes to slow play and induce bluffs then I think checking behind isn't too bad.

fire_eyes_2k · Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:07 am Post subject:

Well no more responses, so here's the answer. I don't think you can ever not afford NOT to bet that river. I'm ahead of so many hands, and whilst a lot will fold, I'm gonna get value from most T's and 8's, and even worse 2pairs, although thats unlikely. If raised, then I'm almost certainly behind, but I would still call, for odds, and for information as I'm not short on chips.

From the flop donkbet he probably has an 8, or JT or something. Sure 89 is well within his range, but so is a bad steal attempt, so it doesnt give us that much info. His check on the turn is standard, and if he'd hit his draw he would surely bet out on the river, rather than risk me checking behind him.

(If he had led out, then I'm calling w/2pr as it often looks like I've given up OTT or missed a draw, so its ripe for a steal attempt.

ridic x · Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject:

I'd tend to bet/fold here. As it is after the better Hero has 37k when checked to on the river. Neither of you bet the turn and honestly I can't see the guy checking the river if he was going for a c/r on the turn. However if you bet and get raised you have to muck.

Small edit here: Just saw you said you would call a raise for info. Not really useful considering if you bet he raises you call you're down to 27k and at these blind levels that's not enough to do much with. Also there is no way he is c/r that river with a hand you can beat even holding the 2 pair.

You could also take the line of the pot is big enough and it's not worth risking trying to gain another BB with your stack only being 7BBs as it is. The end game of the 3k is such a crapshoot when the blinds get to this level.

Honestly though if I'm Hero I'm not trying to steal with 67off 4 handed unless the blinds are nits.

mikefid · High Card Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 11

I don't care how good this guy is, not to many players have the discipline to check check turn and river after U checked behind him. A straight may check call the river but I don't think he would check raise there with a straight. He may try a check raise with a pair or busted draw knowing that you are in position and may be trying to steal, but if he has a legit hand I think he would just call to see where he stands. The range of hands that you beat is much larger than the hands that beat you.

Cattivo · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject:

Automatic value bet, and automatic fold to a raise - unless you're absolutely sure they're bluffing.

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