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Cairo Nile · High Card Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 3

I've been playing poker for about 2 months and I've managed to get 30k in play chips by mostly playing In SNG's (sit and go's). I find that I do better in SNG's than cash games. I place about 25% of the time, I've recently moved up to the 2k SNG 9 handed. It was getting really frustrating playing with the rats in the lower stake cash games. However I recently started playing 25/50 stakes table and find I am not doing to much better their as well.

My goal is to gain at least 500k so I can start using my play chips to earn some real money. I'm not really to sure how I can progress further should I find a way to improve my cash game play or is there something else I can do to Improve my bankroll. At this rate it will take years!

Thanks

wobz_4 · Three of a Kind Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 77

back in the day when I played play chips, i was the same as you, playing mostly sngs...
all i can say is since they are only play money just take a shot at the highest sng you can afford.
who cares after all its fake money!

deuce_wins · Flush Joined: 11 Mar 2008 Posts: 144

Play the 90 seat tables and be conservative with your play. I was like you where I'd fluctuate between 1000-20,000 chips. In the last few days I've played the 250-90 person tables and now the 2000-90 person tables. The payout is way better and you don't even have to finish first. Right now I'm at about 150,000 play chips.

Also, if you're looking to get into cash games, play the PAD freerolls and when you win, unregister for the event you win and get the FTP points back. Then use the FTP points to buy into cash games.

Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject:

From my experience, playing the ring game tables is by far the fastest way to build up play chips.

Nosmo555 · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject:

Cairo Nile · High Card Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 3

Thanks for all the advice guys, I've been doing a bit of reading up about Tournament vs Cash games strategy. I've noticed that it is often the case that a player will excel in either tournament play or cash game play, I had no idea of this.

I realized that the majority of televised poker that I started and continue to watch are tournament poker games, and I'm sure that applies to a lot people on this forum. It seems that a lot of beginners, like myself, after watching televised events naturally progressed to playing tournament games online. However when many of these players transverse over to cash games they fail to adjust their play.

There seems to be debate between which style of play requires more skill, and to be honest that is probably a discussion to be had in another thread, however and I agree with Flying_Kiwi when I say there is no denying that you make more money (play chips as well) playing ring games.

Wobz_4 I am defiantly going to play higher buy-in SNG's however I would like to practice managing my bankroll (even if they are only play chips) so putting all my money to take a single shot at the highest SNG's affordable might be a good idea to get a lot of chips fast but it is poor bankroll management.
Deuce_wins Thanks for the tip on FTP points is PAD "poker after dark"? and will I need FTP points to begin with?

What is frustrating is I have no idea how to adjust my game to make the transition to ring games. I've tried experimenting with different types of strategy but inevitably I end up loosing most of the time. There seems to be lack of good reading material on subject I think this may have to do with the fact that the majority of new players are tournament players. Anyways if anybody knows any good sites, books, or has any advice about adjusting from tournament to ring game format that would be most helpful.

Thanks

etothemc2 · Four of a Kind Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 290

LostOstrich · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: 30k slump (play chips)

rockycatt · Message Board Junkie Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 2721

i went to a mill and busted 3 times in play [it was good exposure ]

i busted every time i got to a mill at the chris ferguessen room

so i said screw it ill play real short money [quality over quanity ]

i suggest you invest minum with rake back program and play
real 1.00 sng you will have more fun Very Happy

rocky

Cairo Nile · High Card Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 3

deuce_wins · Flush Joined: 11 Mar 2008 Posts: 144

@Cairo - yes PAD = Poker After Dark. And no to needing FTP points to get into them. They are freerolls. They appear about every 4 minutes and fill up very fast (3-5 seconds!). Anyway, navigate under play money --> Tournaments --> Poker After Dark. Sort the buy-in column descending and watch for them to appear at the top of the list. Get your nimble fingers on to register fast.

@Flying_Kiwi - where can one find the play money ring games?

Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject:

deuce_wins · Flush Joined: 11 Mar 2008 Posts: 144

Magatsu · Two Pair Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 63

Hey Cairo,

Since I have exactly the same goal as you, I thought I'd reply.

I build my (playchip-)bankroll up to 200k through 90- and 18- handed MTTs. I followed a relatively strict BR-rule and only moved up a level with at least 20 buy-ins. At the 10k-level I started to feel pretty overmatched at the MTTs and only managed to cash from time to time in the STT SnGs.
Like you, I tried, lost in and from then on avoided the ring games early on but a nice coincident (some friends playing at the lowest playcips-stakes just to chat) brought me back. I'm now hovering around 350k but start to win consistently in the Ring-games, at the price that i think my SnG-play suffered significantly though.

Anyway, like you I also started to learn a lot about poker through TV. What helped me adjusting from tournament- to ring-game-play was the exact same thing. Watch some of High Stakes Poker (if not on TV, try YouTube). It's pretty entertaining and you see some of the sickest battles that would never occure in any Tournament. You learn to value suited connectors and that you can play almost any two cards if u get in the pot cheap.
Another thing I learned playing Ring-games: It requires time. You know if you play a 9-handed SnG, it will take 1 1/2 h max. To win at a ring-game table might take longer depending on your cards and opponents.

Well, that's all I can think of right now. Of course this is no carved-in-stone truth but just my experience. Try to stay within your BR though. It's frustrating to start at 1k again Smile

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Maybe we see each other at a table sometime. Until then good luck.

Bye

M

big-boy-ramsey · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:44 am Post subject:

If SNGs are what your better at play SNGs...But move up as fast as possible...do not..do not...do not...fool yourself by thinking you are learning a damn thing in the 250 or 2000 games...the 10k and up will be more like real money play(which im assumeing is your ultimate goal).

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