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Online Poker Forum - What happened to the official "ftp is rigged" thread?
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rockycatt
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Compliance Recipe, Part 3: Intermittent Rewards

good read Very Happy Very Happy RC
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Flying_Kiwi
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rigged
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rockycatt
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Compliance Recipe, Part 3: Intermittent Rewards Arrow Arrow
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kzm214
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This site certainly has become the biggest piece of sh*t out there, the customer service is absolutely terrible, for a multi billion dollar company they have 3 people working tops, the bad players are incredibly dumb and get lucky all the time, its just nonsense to think that 3 outers should hit every other hand, but then again according to full tilt if that player had waited a 1/2 second longer the card would have been different... MY A** says it would have been different...


For a multi billion dollar company, Tilter rick don't you think that maybe for one day you guys could just turn off the button that says we are going to let the donks their 3 outers, so they can get chips, then lose them to another person, then get them back, all creating the rake to take all this money from giving the bad players there miracle cards...
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keekdapolak
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its riggedd. everytime that 2 players each go all in nd there cards are shown then 50% of the time the hand is decided on the last card.
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Peepers_au
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So let me get this straight.

100% of the time 2 players go all-in, 50% of the time it's decided on the river?

I think you need to take a course in statistics.
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Flying_Kiwi
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally people are starting to understand why I've been rambling on about 50/50 since forever.
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pokersBESTx
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile
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Blackburne
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll tell you my theory, which I've posted before and nobody seems to believe. Here it is:

Full Tilt has invented a game of luck that they've presented in a poker based format. Good players lose more often than they should, and bad players win more often. The cards on Full Tilt really do mean nothing until the river where they're used to determine the winner. The odds of the better hand winning are not the same as in real life. They've done this because the good players have to play longer to profit as much as they should, and the bad players don't lose all of their money as fast as they should. Bad players are actually fooled into thinking they are good or that they can compete with good players, because on Full Tilt the luck factor makes it an almost even matchup. They don't realize they're outmatched and give up poker like they should, instead they keep coming back. All the while Full Tilt is literally raking in the money. More pots and tournaments have to be played (i.e. more rakes) in order to achieve the same results as in real life.

I realize posting this is pointless, because the people who created the site don't read these or need to be told their site is rigged, and these forums are full of the delusional players I've talked about who think they're better than they are. The 1st thing they'll do is attack my skills as a player, call me a donk and such, or say I should just not play here. If I knew a site where the cards were random I'd go, trust me. I want to play poker, not Full Tilt "poker". I've been to Absolute Poker (the worst I've seen), Party Poker, Ultimate Bet and some others, they're all about the same. This is the closest thing to poker I can find without driving to a casino. Just imagine how great it would be to play actual poker with countless people from around the world without leaving your house. For now it's just a dream.


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Blackburne
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also I read some of that "how they suffle" post. WTF does quantum physics have to do with shuffling or dealing random cards? Answer: nothing. You just think if you use big words you can explain away the fact that the odds of the better hand holding on this site are not the same as in real life. It's so obviously rigged that it's not funny. Go play Omaha on the play chips site, you'll see how rigged it is. Quads 3 out of 6 hands at the same table. 1 guy flopping a set 3 times in a row, one he turned quads the other 2 were top set. All of the chips being funneled to 1 player. Not the best player, just the most aggressive player with the biggest stack, who's not outplaying anybody, he's just showing down the best hand more often than he should while playing every hand. I don't think what Full Tilt is doing is illegal but they shouldn't lie about it. Well actually it is illegal, because the government tried to shut down games based on luck, but Full Tilt said poker is a game of skill. It is, but you won't find any poker on Full Tilt, just a luck based game disguised as poker.
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Blackburne
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkGreb wrote:
wwcd5215 wrote:
IABoomer wrote:
bogiegolf50 wrote:
eatbeef wrote:
IABoomer, shove it up your a$$,

I second the motion!!!

Sure the donk play has something to do with the suckouts, but the continuous bad beats are too much.


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jamesq70
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackburne wrote:
I'll tell you my theory, which I've posted before and nobody seems to believe.


I find that hard to believe
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Important Boy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do most people complain about the site being rigged, start off with something around:

"I've been playing here for..."

"I've made $X in Poker..."

We don't care. People who complain that it is rigged are losing players, and losers at life. The site is not rigged, get over it.
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trekk
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IABoomer wrote:
boombasticas wrote:
So what about freedom of speech you morron.


First, the irony of you misspelling "moron" was not lost on me.

Second, freedom of speech applies only to the United States Congress and the making of laws to restrict speech of United States citizens. Since Full Tilt owns this forum, Full Tilt can choose what to allow to be posted and what to remove. If they wanted to delete every post in this entire "Poker Stories" section, that's their prerogative.

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You're gonna lock everybody's topics that you don't like.


No, I'm going to lock rambling topics that add no value to the discussions and those that are posted by whining trolls with no evidence of anything.

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You're nothing but a bunch of scumbags, who work for full tilt. I mean what are you afraid of?


I won't speak for the site, but my personal "fear", if you can call it that, is that some new player would see something that says "THE SITE IS RIGGED ZOMG WTF !!!!!111one!!!" and be so put off by it that they choose not to read, post, or join the site because they let fools run rampant.

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The site is rigged, and by doing that you're only gonna prove I'm right.


No, the onus of proof is on you. Telling you to put a sock in it because you make no sense and have no data doesn't prove you're right any more than you posting 2 + 2 = 5 makes it right.

Note the above comments aren't necessarily those of Full Tilt Poker, its management, etc.


I hear you say evidence... can you answer me this? Has FTP ever released any of the programming code to a respectable source so they can prove that it is NOT infact rigged? When in question, the innocent normally prove their innocence. being a programmer myself, I know only how easy it would be.

and btw, your a pretty terrible mod to talk to members of the forum the way you do. your job is to mod, maybe you should just not post ruse things when its not even directed to you.
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IABoomer
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hear you say evidence... can you answer me this? Has FTP ever released any of the programming code to a respectable source so they can prove that it is NOT infact rigged?


Assuming Full Tilt had a third party audit the code, which I believe is a part of the licensing process with KGC, do you trust the third party? If yes, then why don't you trust Perry Friedman the programmer, or the moderators, or any of the statistics addicts on 2+2 when we say the game isn't rigged? If you don't trust the third party, then what good does it do to have someone else look at it?

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When in question, the innocent normally prove their innocence. being a programmer myself, I know only how easy it would be.


When in a court of law, you're innocent until proven to be guilty. You're asking for negative proof, which most people will tell you is a logical impossibility.

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and btw, your a pretty terrible mod to talk to members of the forum the way you do. your job is to mod, maybe you should just not post ruse things when its not even directed to you.


Thanks. You should see the replies I type up, but click away from or delete because judgement gets the better of me. Very Happy
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