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loosefer88 · Three of a Kind Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 85

Am I the only one who thinks its funny that people will respond to a post to say they didn't read it?

loosefer88 · Three of a Kind Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 85

So pretentious Shocked

mistaken69 · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject:

well it's all in hope that one day people like you will provide some cliffnotes.

byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2064

i defintely appreciate the article and it wouldn't be the same without the indepth detail. probably for those with experience at either these stakes or 6-max play, the article would be nothing new, but to a player like myself, i enjoy reading up on this type of material. i mainly play recreationally but still love the challenge of learning from different perspectives. appreciate the post, OP.

loosefer88 · Three of a Kind Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 85

Glad you liked it man- cliff notes: you can 3bet lighter in position than out of position.

Riddim · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject:

I agree with a lot of it but think that quite a few of your 3-betting ranges are a bit off given thee calling ranges you expect. For example, you advocate 3-betting hands like AJ out of the blinds only if the original raiser will fold a lot. If that's the case we're generally much better off calling with a hand like that though, and 3-betting a more polarized hands consisting of stuff we can comfortably 3-bet for value and bluffs.

That way we don't put ourselves in a position where flopping a pair is going to be really tough and have a ton of of reverse implied odds because we've probably folded out most worse hands that will give us significant action. Instead of something that's going to be very marginal and tricky to play OOP vs the range of our opponents, we now either have a good hand we're comfortable getting it in with, some kind of draw/weak pair with little showdown value or air. It's when our opponents are opening wide and also calling a lot of 3-bets that 3-betting hands like AJ and KQ becomes really good, because now we actually get action from worse hands and end up in good spots postflop when we do get called.

Also, stop advertising for your site in every single OP you make.

loosefer88 · Three of a Kind Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 85

I agree with you Riddim, I don't always 3b AJ oop, a lot of the time I will fold/ call with it against good lags. Against a good tag I'll just dump AJ oop.

StevieWard · Message Board Junkie Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 1121

Its weird this post appears - as I was going to start my own one.

Everyone probably always 3 bets the norm hands: 1010 +, AJ/AQ/AK and some other random stuff from time to time....

I'm wanting to try 3 bettign a bit more at 6 max, but with "non conventional" hands - eg suited broadway, lower pocket pairs (99, 66, 77), suited and semi suited connectors (8 10, 9 10) and occasionally total random stuff like J9, Q9, A8s and occasionally KQ/KJ/QJ etc

Obviously a lot of these depend on position, history, opponent and reads - but does anyone have any advice on this? I watched a poker savvy video where the video host was every now and then 3 betting random cards and picking his spots and explaining why (this was at $100NL) and it was stuff like K6s, 95os etc - a few times he gave reasons for it, but it practically was almost ATC - he also said another reason for doing this if you can build up your 3 bet frequency a little, when you DO have big hands like Aces people will be inclined to call you or even 4 bet you more because you look like your "at it" because of the amount of times you raise.

I've had limited success doing this so far, probably breaking even but it makes the game a bit more fun, although it is scary when you 3 bet Q6s on the button and they call and you have nothing.....

Also - briefly, what are anyones thoughts on 3 betting with a non paired hand (say any 2 face cards) and the flop either comes all number cards, or the face cards that dont pair you up.....now I'm not stupid, i know that as the 3 bet raiser you are representing a big hand pre flop, so like when you normally raise you should c-bet to represent something and try and take it down - but what is anyones thoughts on check folding in these situations?

The reason I ask is quite a few times I've 3 bet with say AJ/AQ/AK/KQ etc and the flop has been say 5 9 3 or with AJ it has a Q or KQ etc...and a good few times I've went ahead and bet, and either been check raised/raised or called and the turn is a blank (where I can then decide to double barrel or give up).

Is there an argument for simply keeping your money and waiting for a better time in certain 3 bet pots (like how you dont always have to c bet if you miss with an initial pre flop raise). Obviously bluffing in these pots will cost you slightly more due to the increased pot size - quite a few times I've sooo wanted to just check, but I end up betting with my air and get called, or gettign raised and I fold and it does tilt me a bit and make me think "See, you should have just checked and let it go".

I obviously c-bet my missed flops like anyone else, but just wondered if anyone could provide any advice with the above questions.

Riddim · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject:

I'm lazy, so here's an old post of mine with some random thoughts on 3-betting ranges: http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/viewtopic.php?t=47363

As for c-betting, it depends a ton on flop texture. Think about how likely villain is to like his hand on the flop based on how it hits his range, and also how hard it hits the range he thinks you have. Don't think that anyone thinking will give you credit for a big pair just because you 3-bet and then follow up on the flop though. If you're 3-betting with any kind of regularity it will quickly become obvious that you're not only doing it with big hands.

loosefer88 · Three of a Kind Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 85

Nice post Riddim.

loosefer88 · Three of a Kind Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 85

There are times when its good to 3b hands like Q6s.... but not without a lot of history of a tight image.

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