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jchill99 · High Card Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 2

The first hand, with bottom two pair this was an agressive move, and overplayed in the beginning because you were drawing dead against an improbable set of tens. Even though he didnt have the tens, you had to figure he had at least the FD and two overs, and maybe the FD with a ten and an over, and it that case you are barely a favorite. I would have bet aggressively to start, and then slowed down, and let one card come off before proceeding.....it depends on evaluation of the player, but you kinda got lucky calling and him having the fd and two overs, as that is the worst hand he could have had that he was representing.....

This aggressive play happens at all levels, but I do agree that play is more conservative in live games, due to the embarassment factor of showing down an inferior hand. I play regularly at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun and it is rare to see some of the moves that happen frequently on here, but it is also rare that someone would want to show the table a weak hand, when it is not as easy to switch to another table.

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fiddlepuck · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject:

Well, Ive moved up in stakes, and I no longer whine. Cause the **** that was pisisng me off, just doenst happen anymore............ Maybe once every couple sessions............ So now when I get a badbeat, I shrug it off, casue it aint the 17th time that day! haha. Now I feel I can actualy try and learn the game and see results..... (which I am.... Im seeing a much larger profit in the weeks Ive moved up beyond 10c25c, than I ever did lower than that. There really seems to be a defined line betwen 10c 25c, and 25c 50c. I can sit in 25NL all day, and likely lose $10. while in the 50nl im gennerally profitting. Im even getting away form AA Vs KK, (me:KK) casue the other player is playing from a thinking point of view too. its fun again this game!!!!!

fiddlepuck · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject:

Well, Ive moved up in stakes, and I no longer whine. Cause the **** that was pisisng me off, just doenst happen anymore............ Maybe once every couple sessions............ So now when I get a badbeat, I shrug it off, casue it aint the 17th time that day! haha. Now I feel I can actualy try and learn the game and see results..... (which I am.... Im seeing a much larger profit in the weeks Ive moved up beyond 10c25c, than I ever did lower than that. There really seems to be a defined line betwen 10c 25c, and 25c 50c. I can sit in 25NL all day, and likely lose $10. while in the 50nl im gennerally profitting. Im even getting away form AA Vs KK, (me:KK) casue the other player is playing from a thinking point of view too. its fun again this game!!!!!

fiddlepuck · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:

Well, Ive moved up in stakes, and I no longer whine. Cause the **** that was pisisng me off, just doenst happen anymore............ Maybe once every couple sessions............ So now when I get a badbeat, I shrug it off, casue it aint the 17th time that day! haha. Now I feel I can actualy try and learn the game and see results..... (which I am.... Im seeing a much larger profit in the weeks Ive moved up beyond 10c25c, than I ever did lower than that. There really seems to be a defined line betwen 10c 25c, and 25c 50c. I can sit in 25NL all day, and likely lose $10. while in the 50nl im gennerally profitting. Im even getting away form AA Vs KK, (me:KK) casue the other player is playing from a thinking point of view too. its fun again this game!!!!!

Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject:

esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

Starvingwriter · Full House Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 174

This is the best post ever.

Look. Every single genuine bad beat you take means you outplayed the other player, it just didn't happen to pay out this time. If you continue to make the same play again and again, you will make money. So, when someone chases or calls with the wrong odds, you should be grinning, not complaining.

The fish never go away in my experience. As I've moved from $2 single table SnGs up to $10 and $20, my play has actually had to tighten significantly because a lot of players at those levels are even more likely to not lay down a hand when you represent a strong hand or give them poor odds.

In my experience, low limit six handed tables usually break down like this:

1-3 solid players
1-2 okay players that just don't quite "have it" yet
2-4 total fish

The only difference as you move up is that the fish get bigger, and the solid players get stronger. Heck, at those levels, the entire opening game is mostly "who can catch the fish the fastest without ending up all wet." It's just part of the game. Looks to me from the hands you posted that your starting hand requirements vs. fish are ridiculous, so you end up all wet more often than not.

Every single time someone calls a huge overbet chasing a flush draw, you're going to get paid three times more often than you're going to lose.

As has already been pointed out, players with inferior skill are the reason to play poker. If you want to play against Phil Ivey, Phil Hellmuth, Chris Furgeson, and whoever else, be my guest.

My first guess is that you'll lose all your money in a big hurry.

My second guess is that if you don't, they'll go back to their own personal forums complaining about the donk that would play with anything, just like you did here.

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