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beigmatt · Banned Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 25

***I'M NOT BUYING/SELLING ANYTHING***

Now, I just started looking at this forum a few days ago and I myself am a big user of PayPal, with accounts consisting of over $6,000 USD. I came to this forum quite disapointed that PayPal has been disbanded. But I am going to tell you of a method to help bring it back.

(Will try and post pics later)

I am sure that most of you at some point have had a problem with a fraudulent Dispute or chargeback. A Claim or Dispute is when the buyer put a claim on the transaction through PayPal. A chargeback is if they paid with a credit card, the call their CC company and chargeback. Chargebacks are much harder to deal with. But anyways......Heres how to stop it.

This method is known as "Claim and Cancel." Have you ever noticed that once a fraudulent buyer puts a dispute on a transaction and once the decision is made on who should get the money back they don't make another dispute? That's because they can't. This can be used to the seller's advantage (Presuming that he/she is trusted) in this way.

Basically say the seller wants to sell to $50 FTP money to the buyer via PayPal. The buyer would go first and send the seller the designated amount of money, then the buyer would put an instant dispute on the transaction, saying they didn't get the goods. Then right after that the seller would have the buyer close the dispute saying all the issues were resolved, and BINGO. The funds are now 100% secure in the sellers PayPal account. The seller would then give the buyer the goods and there's no way to get past this.

Well, there is one other way, thats when the fraudulent seller has one more option, he can make an "unauthorized" claim. But I have never in my life seen an unauthorized claim that has been accepted, so the above method works. Ill try to post pictures next time and try it out.....Give me some feedback!

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject:

I have never used Paypal, but I keep getting email from them telling me to update my account, or that someone has sent me money, or something like that. Obviously, these emails are just phishing scams. If I actually decided to use Paypal I would go crazy trying to figure out which emails were legit, and which were phishing scams.

beigmatt · Banned Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 25

Well it takes alot to be tricked by those e-mails lol. PayPal is a fine thing to use, they just charge way to much. But I think its worth it with the Debit cards, Credit card, Virtual Credit card and half a dozen withdrawal options that are available.

stenrick · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject:

beigmatt · Banned Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 25

IveArrived · Pair Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 31

Paypal itself is so easily abusable, thats why people hate it so much.

They also have terrible, terrible customer service, and have been known to freeze and lock account of customers randomly, freezing their money.

Heres a site with thousands of pissed of paypal'rs

www.paypalsucks.com

It happened to me, they froze $840 of mine, never found out why. Also they took $500 of it, leaving me with the remainder to claim in 180 days (They let you withdraw the money out after this long). In the end they made me wait half a year, and stole over half my money.

Ever been blinded by rage? Paypal can do that.

Anyway, your loophole may work - like I said though I wouldnt trust paypal.

abominable · Message Board Junkie Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 1296

Plain and simple what? Actually?

Here's the deal. Plain and simple. You need a little cash to play poker, for a little cash. You need a lot of cash, to play poker for a lot of cash. One would expect that folks who want to play poker would know enough to go get a method that would insure that they have some cash. And can get some more.

You can get an Epassporte account in about a day. Some people say EP is a pain in the butt. True. But it works. It works slowly but it works very, very well. (I already know that Neteller was better. But Neteller is dead.)

But screwing around with Paypal? Where a transfer can be reversed? A payment is not a payment, but instead, it's a gamble? No. And here you are, saying, 'Hey, bro, we can out gamble Paypal, by a double gamble technique'.

Paypal doesn't allow poker, and they allow a purchaser to reverse his payment: a lot of poker traders get screwed, because they're stupid: they accept Paypal. They should not.

And rather than you (yes, you. Yourself.) going to get a new method of payment (hey, it coulda been done in full, in three days), you're here, hawking paypal like kids on corners used to hawk newpapers. "Paypal! Get your PayPal Here! Extra! Read All About It".

And all these dummies? Their friends tell them: they should not accept paypal. They should not. But every day, one or two of them does. In spite of all the shouting, in the forums. Ron White, the comedian, was correct: "You Just Can't Fix STUPID."

But here you are: you've been at this for three days, in four forums. Maketransfer.com, Pokerforums.org, hey, you're there. Fortunately, I don't believe you've had a sale yet. Maybe people DO get smarter. It could happen.

Nobody is going to take your Paypal. Nobody smart. Go take your money out of paypal (we KNOW you're not a scammer, so we KNOW you have a legitimate method of withdrawing your funds. <smirk>). Put those funds in a bank. Get an Epassporte account. Fund your poker site.

But if you're still here, Wednesday, hawking your PayPal, I'm gonna get ticked off. And then, that foul substance is going to hit the fan. And I'm going to get rude.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject:

You should never have to trick something into working properly.

And about the phishing emails, the fact that none of the emails I get from "Paypal" has my name on them definetely set off alarms. Still, they appear to come from address that looks like paypal. Some of them will appear to come from accounts@paypal.com. People have been trying to scam Paypal customers for so long that they are getting quite good at faking Paypal emails.

dollarmtn · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject:

beigmatt · Banned Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 25

ManilaDog · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject:

the fact is that Paypal isnt easy or safe........

so why bother ?

beigmatt · Banned Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 25

ManilaDog · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject:

beigmatt · Banned Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 25

ManilaDog · Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:14 am Post subject:

but with paypal you dont get paid....very simple

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