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Marek99 · Two Pair Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Slovakia

I recently lost game with A-2-5-6-7 to A-3-4-5-7. I thought A-2 beats A-3 :s i am now confused and i am not gonna play any h/l game till i wont have this problem cleared out.

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

You start at the high end. So 7-6 loses to 7-5. That's why your hand is called "7 low" or "7 6 low."

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject:

That is weird. If you held A2 in your hand you should have won the low. Are you sure you weren't playing razz, or S8B?

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

Jaconda's right, 7-6 loses to 7-5 for low, same as razz or triple-draw

From the example, I'd have to say your Ace was counterfeited on the board. You always have to be careful of being counterfeited when going for low.

Steve Brecher · Full Tilt Pro Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 115

A way to think about it to (mentally) arrange the cards in descending order, count the Ace as 1, and consider them as a 5-digit number. E.g., 75431. The lower number wins.

Marek99 · Two Pair Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Slovakia

ok guys thanks Smile

Marek99 · Two Pair Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Slovakia

btw one more question: its in razz used same low rating? (friend is coming tomorrow to play HORSE with me Razz

so i need to quickly get answer for this, lol)

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

All lowball games (triple draw, razz, omaha 8, and stud 8 ) use the same way of measuring hands, with the exception of 2-7 triple draw, where straights and flushes count against you, making the nuts 23457 (aces are high). In stud hi/lo and omaha hi/lo there is a qualifying hand. That is, the low hand cannot have any card higher than an 8 in it. The worst low hand that can be played is then 87654.

cchappa · Pair Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 50

Also, quick way to determine nut low (in O 8/b): Starting with A, find the two lowest missing cards. Example: Board reads A 3 6 J K. Lowest missing cards are 2 and 4, so anyone holding them has the nut low.

But yeah, on the premise that a "7 low" beats an "8 low", then to break a tie bewteen two 7 lows, you dismiss the common high card, the see who still has the best low. So comparing

A-2-5-6-7 to A-3-4-5-7,

if you dismiss the common high card (7), you have

A-2-5-6 to A-3-4-5

And it's suddenly obvious who has the better low (the A-3-4-5-7).

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:32 am Post subject:

That is the best explantion I've heard so far, Steve.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:34 am Post subject:

Were you holding A2 Marek, or was the 2 on the board?

Marek99 · Two Pair Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Slovakia

i held A2

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject:

I thought if you held A2, and the board had 3 cards 8 and under you held the nut low.

Marek99 · Two Pair Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Slovakia

well too late, i dont remember how exactly it was, but i am sure i held A-2 as just few mins before it i read Hellmuths advice to play A-2-xx only in OH/L.

i guess there were four low cards on board and he had some A-5/6/7.

jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

cchappa is almost right...

The nut low is not always the lowest two missing ranks from the board. If there are four or more cards to a wheel (5-4-3-2-A) on the board, then the nut low is any two cards which can complete a wheel with 3 cards from the board.

Board = A-2-3-4-X, nut lows are 5-A, 5-2, 5-3, 5-4.

Board = 2-3-4-5-X, nut lows are 2-A, 3-A, 4-A, 5-A.

Board = A-2-3-4-5, nut lows are any two cards to a wheel.

But as long as there are no more than three cards to a wheel on the board, then just like cchappa said, the nut low is the two lowest missing ranks from the board.

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